Black Star vs Sasuke

Topic started by ohgodwhy on June 18, 2012. Last post by Sonata 1 year, 9 months ago.
Post by YouFinished (1,035 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@GIRUGAMESH said: 

Why would you doubt it? By nearly all accounts BS has shown himself to be foolish and arrogant, whereas Sasuke is cool and calculating. Do you think that Black Star could have thought on the level Sasuke did in the Deidara fight? Hell no.

Also, Black Star has not surpassed Stein. Stein only said that Black Star had the edge in physical force and possibly endurance. If you go back to that scene you'll see that Black Star wasn't even able to land a single direct hit on Stein. Mifune, of course, I will give you. And ohgodwhy has stated in the OP that speed is equal, regardless of techniques. Until he states otherwise, BS has lost his best and only advantage over Sasuke.

black star has become very mature after he killed mifune and rarely ever fools around in a fight. and i said black star surpassed stein in hand to hand if you re read the chapter you can see stein says it himself right after bs kicked him the face. also speed equal only equalizes base speed unless stated otherwise. 

And yes, better techniques. He has more at his disposal with clones, substitutions, lightning style techniques, a plethora of fire techniques, summons and genjutsu (if Blackstar makes eye contact he's dead), not to mention a little technique called Kirin, which has demonstrated more power than anything shown by nearly anyone in the entire Soul Eater series. Hell, Sasuke may simply be able to cut through Tsubaki's weaponry with a lightning-infused katana. As it stands, Blackstar is dying.

And when did Blackstar become hypersonic+? Last time I checked higher tier Soul Eater characters were on the mid-hypersonic range. With the level that Sasuke is at, he'd be at least supersonic+ at his current point. If BS were to go straight for the kill, he'd win, but if Sasuke gets the chance to activate Susano (which he may well just do from the start) then BS has no way of getting through. If it were their current, unrestricted forms it could go either way.

i agree sasuke has more of a wide range of different techniques but i wouldn't call them 'better'.  kirin takes way to long to prep, there's no way he'd be able to get that off before bs attacks. and sasuke cutting through tsubaki is just lol. iirc sasuke only cut metal once and it was a random kunai while tsubaki has withstood multiple steel cutters at once.  
 
for black star being hypersonic; he was able to best mifune whom is hypersonic+ from blocking hypersonic sniper fire on multiple occasions and has dodged a detonated gun powder explosion point blank. at one point in their fight mifune couldn't even track black star's movements when he used zetseui.
Post by ricky_somerville1 (2 posts) See mini bio Level 3

ok before i start i will make it so sasuke is at the power level before MS when he fights itachi and he can't use genjutsu and the speed of both characters are at the level of there series.

firstly sasukes sharingan will probably be one of his greatest assets in this fight because even if black star uses zetsu sasuke will be able to see the pattern of black stars movements with sharingan making black stars highest level of speed almost useless, but if black star uses madness infiniy masamune black star would get in the lead because of how powerfull and increased speed madness makes him and because infiniy masamune allows him to have multiple swords floating around him ( sasukes sharingan wouldn't work against this because of multiple the sword attack at once ) so it would probably and up like when sasuke fight KILLER BEE and he used a similar techniques a witch almost killed him (sasuke had others heal his injuries and help him fight BEE). this would probably be enough for black star to win but the only problem is black star can't use infiniy masamune for very long.

also sasuke is much smarter the black star and could esaily out smart him. sasuke dose have a much wider range of attacks but he can not use all of them in one battle (case of chakra depletion). lastly if if this fight where to drag on black star would win because he has more stamina and endurance then sasuke

overall i would have to say black star would win but it would be itstremaly close/ black star 60% win sasuke 40% win

that said if sasuke had MS sasuke would easily win

if it came down to hand to hand closes combat i think black star would win even thou there tijutus/fighting ability is about the same, because of the fact that black star can take more damage then sasuke and that he is much more phisicily stronger then sasuke and he can use soul wavelength even if sasuke can read his moves with his sharingan (witch could be difficalt) he wouldn't be able to hurt black star very much but if susuke gets hit once by black star he would be hurting

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ricky_somerville1: Don't think so dude, even in hand to hand combat Sasuke has it. He is also a very skilled combatant, his sharingan would have no problem tracking his movements with speed equalised and Sasuke can one-shot him if he pulls a chidori off. He could even pull off a chidori stream if he wanted to cover his body, as seen around shippuden episode 50. I agree that if Black Star was able to land a hit then Sasuke could be one-shotted because of wavelength, but s I say, one chidori and it's over.

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@GIRUGAMESH: Sasuke is too slow. Black Star is wayyyyy faster.

I think Black Star is still faster than the entire Narutoverse. Unless they have characters above Mach 20 now?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@MisterShin said:

@GIRUGAMESH: Sasuke is too slow. Black Star is wayyyyy faster.

I think Black Star is still faster than the entire Narutoverse. Unless they have characters above Mach 20 now?

"Speed is equalised". Reading the OP is always helpful.

Out of interest, since when was Black Star mach 20? He'd need far more than bullet-timing and dodging a mine explosion to put him on that level.

Post by taichokage (14,167 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Naruto himself is madly fast now. Faster than Raikage who could dodge the fast as the eye can look Amaterasu. But I still don't see BS winning at all unless this were pre shippiden Sasuke.
Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@taichokage said:

Naruto himself is madly fast now. Faster than Raikage who could dodge the fast as the eye can look Amaterasu. But I still don't see BS winning at all unless this were pre shippiden Sasuke.

Agreed completely. Sasukes hax are just to much for BS to handle especially with his EMS which allows him to spam his most powerful jutsu indefinitely or until his chakrea reserves are depleeted, which shouldnt be a problem since he seems to have a massive amount of chakra not to mention that he should be able to finish blackstar long before he is in danger of runnin out of chakra in the first place

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Haofan123: Its Pre MS Sasuke, so B*S stomps.

H2H

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Striking Strength

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Newest Special ability

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@GIRUGAMESH: Azusa bullets are Mach 18. http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=16297.

Mifune was reacting to those, yet struggled to react to B*S and was forced to limit his movements with Infinite Sword style. B*S has since become much more powerful and received about two or three power-ups (Short Time-skip, Madness power-up).

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@MisterShin said:

@Haofan123: Its Pre MS Sasuke, so B*S stomps.

H2H

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Striking Strength

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Newest Special ability

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@GIRUGAMESH: Azusa bullets are Mach 18. http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=16297.

Mifune was reacting to those, yet struggled to react to B*S and was forced to limit his movements with Infinite Sword style. B*S has since become much more powerful and received about two or three power-ups (Short Time-skip, Madness power-up).

I know that BS is considerably stronger than Sasuke, but that will mean little if he can't land a hit on him (sharingan). I am up to date with Soul Eater, I know how strong BS is. But Sasuke has far more available to him, and one chidori and its over. Not to mention Kirin is still far stronger than anything BS has produced (that sword slash paled in comparison), and with his intellect and techniques he could easily create a situation with which to prep it.

As for Azuza, I read it and a lot of those calculations, whilst very sound, are based on assumptions, and so are not entirely accurate. This is mainly due to the uncertainty of the distance the bullet travelled, as shown by the large range of the lower/upper limits of the bullet's speed at the end of that post. So you can't really go around saying that he is mach 20, though I will admit he is hypersonic+ and still probably has better reaction speeds than Naruto characters (though not by much, in some cases).

Anywho, BS still loses here. Raw physical strength and speed are the only advantages he has over Sasuke, the first is made virtually redundant by sharingan and speed is negated here.

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@GIRUGAMESH: His Sharingan is rendered pretty much useless by the OP.

No Genjutsu and No MS. That means sharingan can only be used for movement, but that doesn't matter because they are the same speed anyway.

Kirin requires prep, Chidori wont be a problem due to B*S versatility and multitude of weapons.

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If Sasuke comes in for a Chidori, B*S can perform a Soul Wavelength attack at the same time or use one of his many weapons.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@MisterShin said:

@GIRUGAMESH: His Sharingan is rendered pretty much useless by the OP.

No Genjutsu and No MS. That means sharingan can only be used for movement, but that doesn't matter because they are the same speed anyway.

Kirin requires prep, Chidori wont be a problem due to B*S versatility and multitude of weapons.

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If Sasuke comes in for a Chidori, B*S can perform a Soul Wavelength attack at the same time or use one of his many weapons.

Are you kidding? Sorry but if you cast your mind back the sharingan did have some uses before MS besides genjutsu. Of course it still matters, their speeds being equal has nothing to do with it. Sasuke will be able to see every attack coming, how is that not a huge advantage?

And let's make something clear; Sasuke is far more versatile than BS. He has clones, ninja weapons, multiple variants of chidori, a range of fire jutsu, substitutions (which exploding tags can be attached to) and kirin. BS will be attacking head on, whereas Sasuke could do that, go for deception or use his techniques as a setup for Kirin, which is an insta win if he pulls it off.

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@GIRUGAMESH said:

Are you kidding? Sorry but if you cast your mind back the sharingan did have some uses before MS besides genjutsu. Of course it still matters, their speeds being equal has nothing to do with it. Sasuke will be able to see every attack coming, how is that not a huge advantage?

And let's make something clear; Sasuke is far more versatile than BS. He has clones, ninja weapons, multiple variants of chidori, a range of fire jutsu, substitutions (which exploding tags can be attached to) and kirin. BS will be attacking head on, whereas Sasuke could do that, go for deception or use his techniques as a setup for Kirin, which is an insta win if he pulls it off.

B*S would also be able to see all of Sasuke's attacks coming its not an advantage! speed is equal remember (even if you can see it in advance you can only move as fast as your body will allow, B*S has greater reactions than Sasuke as well).

Clone, ninja weapons, substitutions B*S can do them too.

Black Star does not have to attack head on, he has mid and long range attack too.

Black Star has good sensing abilities and also has the 6th Sense, Soul Perception.

So Sasuke clones would be easily seen though, since Sasuke cannot perform the shadow clone. Kirin requires a lot of prep which aint gonna happen in this fight TBH, in the manga it required a large coverage of Amataratsu spread and several fire jutsu shot into the sky, to change the atmosphere and create a 'Natural' storm.

B*S can keep firing shadow swords and and shadow scarf from range if he likes, they are easily capable of cutting Sasuke in two.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@MisterShin said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

Are you kidding? Sorry but if you cast your mind back the sharingan did have some uses before MS besides genjutsu. Of course it still matters, their speeds being equal has nothing to do with it. Sasuke will be able to see every attack coming, how is that not a huge advantage?

And let's make something clear; Sasuke is far more versatile than BS. He has clones, ninja weapons, multiple variants of chidori, a range of fire jutsu, substitutions (which exploding tags can be attached to) and kirin. BS will be attacking head on, whereas Sasuke could do that, go for deception or use his techniques as a setup for Kirin, which is an insta win if he pulls it off.

B*S would also be able to see all of Sasuke's attacks coming its not an advantage! speed is equal remember (even if you can see it in advance you can only move as fast as your body will allow, B*S has greater reactions than Sasuke as well).

Clone, ninja weapons, substitutions B*S can do them too.

Black Star does not have to attack head on, he has mid and long range attack too.

Black Star has good sensing abilities and also has the 6th Sense, Soul Perception.

So Sasuke clones would be easily seen though, since Sasuke cannot perform the shadow clone. Kirin requires a lot of prep which aint gonna happen in this fight TBH, in the manga it required a large coverage of Amataratsu spread and several fire jutsu shot into the sky, to change the atmosphere and create a 'Natural' storm.

B*S can keep firing shadow swords and and shadow scarf from range if he likes, they are easily capable of cutting Sasuke in two.

No, he won't be able to see them coming, he has his h2h skills but that's it. You realise when people say speed is equal that applies to reaction speed as well? And sharingan allows you to see the movements of somebody in advance, what part of that don't you understand? Let's say two people are fighting, both are skilled. They have the same speed as well, but person A can see every movement that person B is about to make. The same applies here.

Since when has BS had clones? Scans would be nice, I just don't remember them.

You misunderstood my meaning, when I say "head on", I mean he'd go for a direct attack. Sasuke might go for a sneak attack via substitutions/clones etc, but not so with BS.

Good sensing abilities? You're clutching at straws here, they're nothing on the sharingan. Soul perception might be more useful yes, but Sasuke would have to leave an opening for him to really do anything with it.

It is out of character for BS to just fire repeated projectiles from a large distance away, and what is to stop Sasuke slicing them to bits with raiton techniques?

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Your first point no, If they are the same speed then they cannot move out the way to dodge, because they are limited by speed. E.g. Sasuke trying to mimic Rock Lee's move or dodge, but his body didnt have the speed, so he had to train his speed. (Besides Black Star can predict movements too, big woop)

Black Star has unorthodox techniques which bypass Sharingan so your point in mute.

Black Star has had clones since chapter 1. HIS A DARN NINJA.

Substitutions/Clones etc Black Star has them....Hello Ninja? Do u really know who Sasuke is up against?

CHAPTER 1: (Substitution)

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SHADOW CLONE:

This aint Naruto where hand seals are required, Black Star does this on the fly.

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SOUL PERCEPTION:

Renders Substitution, Clones, Illusions and the like useless, because he knows exactly where you are regardless. (Come again, Clutching at Straws???)

PHYSICAL STRENGTH:

Sasuke is clearly outclassed in this department.

Black Star lifts and throws, the MOON'S TOOTH. Thats a greater feat that ZORO lifting and throwing a HOUSE.

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http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v21/c194/17.html (Zoro lifting and throwing house)

PHYSICAL BLOWS:

His physical blows rips out chunks of peoples bodies.

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FIGHT: Black Star wins, Close, Mid and Long Range.

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