Alita in 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

Topic started by ReiKai on Aug. 21, 2010. Last post by hitsusatsu11 3 years, 11 months ago.
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
  
Alita takes Chi-Chi's place in the 23rd Budokai tournament at the end of Dragon Ball. What happens? How well does she do? And let's pretend that the order goes differently and she doesn't fight Goku early.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
She solos them all at once. 
At this point at very best DB characters are small house busting. 
Are casual horse timers 
And can lift in excess of 50 kg's.
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
You do know that 23rd Budokai is when Piccolo fought with Goku, right? It's the only tourny Chi-Chi was a part of and it was end of series, about 6yrs prior to the beginning of DBZ.
Post by FormerCrimsonKing (4,428 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@ReiKai said:
" You do know that 23rd Budokai is when Piccolo fought with Goku, right? It's the only tourny Chi-Chi was a part of and it was end of series, about 6yrs prior to the beginning of DBZ. "
she loses to goku or piccolo
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: I am fully aware of when the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai took place, it features semi final matches of Tenshinhan vs Goku, Ma jr. vs Shen (Kami) then the final of Ma Jr. vs Goku. Why wouldn't I be?
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,228 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@hitsusatsu11 said:
"She solos them all at once. At this point at very best DB characters are small house busting. Are casual horse timers And can lift in excess of 50 kg's. "

Ok what did you do with the real Hitsusatsu11?
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@FormerCrimsonKing said:
"she loses to goku or piccolo "
You'd have to explain how. Alita has various abilities that are potentially fatal on contact, though since this is the Tournament she is bound by tourny rules. Meaning she can't kill, but that still leaves her tons of options. Besides, she goes up against this level of opponent a lot during the ZOTT.
  
Not to mention that Alita basically has a limitless power source.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
As seen in the abive scan by Reikai, she clearly is dealing with destructive power FAR above ANYTHING seen this far in DB. 
She could very well stand at the Namek or Cell saga.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Since she is replacing Chi Chi, these are the remaining contestants she faces.  
 
Yamucha  
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai
Kurrirn 
Shen (Kami Sama) 
Tenshinhan 
Ma Jr. (Piccolo) 
Son Goku 
 
Though this is redundant, since she arguably can defeat Cell. 
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@hitsusatsu11: I Didn't get it at first... LOL
Post by FormerCrimsonKing (4,428 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Since she is replacing Chi Chi, these are the remaining contestants she faces.   Yamucha  Cyborg Tao Pai PaiKurrirn Shen (Kami Sama) Tenshinhan Ma Jr. (Piccolo) Son Goku  Though this is redundant, since she arguably can defeat Cell.  "


 

she wouldnt make it past sayin saga
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Cyborg Tao just gets raped by Nano-corrosion.
Post by cfatalis (19,150 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@ReiKai: which body?
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
At this point some of them are faster then lightning and some of them are close to the speed of lightning, Most of them have enough energy to destroy a moon sized object, Goku at this point was able to lift and toss Piccolo which had 20-30T, while he was much weaker then he is here, he was able to jump miles in the air and punch threw Robots and King Piccolo (who was unharmed by human weapons) .
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@FormerCrimsonKing said:
"

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Since she is replacing Chi Chi, these are the remaining contestants she faces.   Yamucha  Cyborg Tao Pai PaiKurrirn Shen (Kami Sama) Tenshinhan Ma Jr. (Piccolo) Son Goku  Though this is redundant, since she arguably can defeat Cell.  "


 

she wouldnt make it past sayin saga "
I was joking lol, Master Roshi beats her quite easily. 
 
@rein said:

" @hitsusatsu11: I Didn't get it at first... LOL "

Now that you have ruined my charade, I will explain how easily she loses. 
 
Master Roshi: 
  
  
 Destroys the moon with the Kamehameha  



Tenshinhan's kikoho shits all over the Kamehameha 





As far as speed go's we all know the blinding speed exhibited in the 21st Budokai  
  
Roshi exhibits great speed while fighting Kurrirn 





Multiple attacks within 1/5 of a second



^Many attacks thrown and countered all within a second 
 
Now goku far surpasses this speed training with Popo 
 



Then at the 23rd Budokai, Kami, who is 1000 times greater than Popo cannot see Goku and Piccolo, even with his godly eyes. 
 
  

Goku also demonstrates some strength in this Budokai 
 

@ReiKai said:

" Cyborg Tao just gets raped by Nano-corrosion. "

Absolutely not, Tao can kill her before she can do anything, in various ways: 
 
The dodonpa 
 

Or simply punch her head off, he has the strength to do that.  
As seen with the pillar feat.
 



 ^And this is regular tao, cyborg tao has a higher ki.
 
VS Tao - She looses as I have shown.
VS Yamucha-Rogga Fufuken h2h is far to much for her, or sokidan easily takes her out.
VS Shen-has the power of Kamisama, she loses. 
VS Kurrirn-He can fly at this point, and has more power than required for moonbusting
VS Ten-She gets curbstomped easy
VS Piccolo-He literally kills her, so technically he could get DQ'd.
VS Goku-She has no chance in hell.  
 
So to seriously answer the OP, she of course looses. 
She couldn't win the 21st or 22nd either.
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Alita's current form, clearly, given I gave no specification as to an earlier form. Which means Imaginos2.0 (unless she got upgraded again). The only time she had nano-corrosion was in 2.0 form. Also, weapons in BAA:LA make the armies in DB/Z look like childrens toys. Alita in Imag1.0 is superior to her Berserker body (if only by a slight margin as she never used it's unsealed state, which is uncontrollable). It was enough to overcome Sachumodo's superior size and power, but that was more due to her skill than powers. Like how she sent a wave through the plasma energy and electromagnetic field to destroy Sachumodo's hands and explode the 100,000+ degree celsius plasma bomb in his face.
 
  
  
Imaginos2.0 is even more powerful.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: Doesn't matter since none of that is on par with multi mountain or moon busting, which the winner of the 21st Budokai was capable of, let alone the 22nd or 23rd.
Post by ReiKai (3,509 posts) See mini bio Level 10
1. Roshi is inconsistent.  Moon-busting is beyond his previous range without any evidence of him having been powered up, and then the rest of his career has him not doing anything or losing terribly against people who never demonstrated that level of power themselves, ie; Tenshinhan, King Piccolo and Kid Goku (they practically tied in 21st Budokai)
2. Alita was super-sonic on day 1 of the original series. In the weaker Tuned body she hit hypersonic while damaged and with one broken leg, had one eye and one arm. Imaginos1.0 makes that look laughable. If we were to include the probable image of Imaginos from end of 1st series she hit Mach 17.5 with Accelerator. 
3. Roshi previously showed a speed of 25m/s (that's 90km an hour, or 55.92mph) when he ran the 100m dash in 4sec flat in front of Goku and Krillin prior to training them. The zanzoken or after-image technique can be performed at a speed of 300mph or more.
4, Kikoho >/> Kamehameha. If that were the case, the damage it caused would've been on a far greater scale than it was. So that's clearly incorrect. Never mind the fact the two attacks have never been used on each other, plus there is the anime bit where Yamcha and Tien trained and Yamcha was equaling Kikoho with an unnamed finger beam. So clearly that's just wrong to assume.
5. Kami is not 1000x Popo. That's absurd and retarded. Stronger than? Yes, but not by that much, clearly. And Popo is the groundskeeper, not much of a fight there.
6. Kami's 'godly eyes' are bunk. It's a worthless hyperbole statement. Vegeta says a similar crap line in Freeza Saga about Goku being faster than 'Saiyan eyes'.
7. Alita slaps down people who take apart giant super robots. Toji did this in an earlier match during the ZOTT and then later with some help from Zekka destroys Anomaly; a giant entity made of nanomachines that can absorb heat and plasma for energy and regenerate almost indefinitely.
8. Figures in BAA:LA have blows on par with nukes. One contestant using an anti-ship sword punched through two of the arenas barriers which shield the attacks from the viewing public and each barrier is capable of withstanding the force of a nuke. A connecting blow between Zekka and his former rival in the previous ZOTT ruptured all 5 layers of shields, wrecked the arena and sent vibrations throughout the whole of Ketheres which traveled down through the orbital elevator intoTiphares so violently it snapped off one of the supply and grounding cables keeping Tiphares in place and ended up destroying a good chunk of the Scrapyard on the surface. And btw Kethere's is in space. Tunguska's beam weapon punched through 6 layers of shields as easily as cutting through air. Alita infected and reconstructed herself through Tunguska's core which was supposedly immune to nanomachine attack and has full access to the energy Tunguska was supplied by.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:

" 1. Roshi is inconsistent.  Moon-busting is beyond his previous range without any evidence of him having been powered up, and then the rest of his career has him not doing anything or losing terribly against people who never demonstrated that level of power themselves, ie; Tenshinhan, King Piccolo and Kid Goku (they practically tied in 21st Budokai)    

False, and wrong. He displayed the feat so it is usable dispite your nonsense, and in fact he accidentally destroyed a mountain using to much power. 
 
 Destroys the Guymao's (Ox King's) mountain by accidentally using to much power. And LOL at you saying Piccolo Daimao and Tenshinhan don't have that kind of power. Tenshinhan is a being who casually solos's the Predatorverse.

  


Correct about the running speed, BS on EVERYTHING else.  
As you can see Roshi can easily see and catch machine gun fire.  
Yet he cannot see Goku's movements.

    
These bullets exceed the speed of sound 
Roshi sees them fine, however can't see Goku 
 


 
 
 
 
 
Your just pulling the 300 mph Zanzoken out of your ass. 
 Here goku dodges bullet fire at close range, the bullets here probably going around 300 m/s 


This is Red Ribbon saga 
The afterimages he makes against say Karin are much faster than this, and any bullet, and much faster than your bias 300 mph, race cars go that fast, Baka! 
 
    
@ReiKai said:

 4, Kikoho >/> Kamehameha. If that were the case, the damage it caused would've been on a far greater scale than it was. So that's clearly incorrect. Never mind the fact the two attacks have never been used on each other, plus there is the anime bit where Yamcha and Tien trained and Yamcha was equaling Kikoho with an unnamed finger beam. So clearly that's just wrong to assume.

This is soooo fail. 
Kikoho is >> the Kamehameha, Roshi states this. 
Because there wasn't as big damage? Its concentrated on a specific area, if Ten wanted he could blow up the moon or anything just like Roshi.
The DOTDF didn't even pierce a little wall and you said it was island busting. This is another example of hypocrasy. 
I will not dignify your use of Yamucha filler with a response.  
 
@ReiKai said:

 5. Kami is not 1000x Popo. That's absurd and retarded. Stronger than? Yes, but not by that much, clearly. And Popo is the groundskeeper, not much of a fight there. 6. Kami's 'godly eyes' are bunk. It's a worthless hyperbole statement. Vegeta says a similar crap line in Freeza Saga about Goku being faster than 'Saiyan eyes'. 

Roshi sees machine gun fire, can't see goku 
Ten then can't see goku even with three eyes, 
Then Kami can't see him. 
This is speed progression. 

 7. Alita slaps down people who take apart giant super robots. Toji did this in an earlier match during the ZOTT and then later with some help from Zekka destroys Anomaly; a giant entity made of nanomachines that can absorb heat and plasma for energy and regenerate almost indefinitely. 8. Figures in BAA:LA have blows on par with nukes. One contestant using an anti-ship sword punched through two of the arenas barriers which shield the attacks from the viewing public and each barrier is capable of withstanding the force of a nuke. A connecting blow between Zekka and his former rival in the previous ZOTT ruptured all 5 layers of shields, wrecked the arena and sent vibrations throughout the whole of Ketheres which traveled down through the orbital elevator intoTiphares so violently it snapped off one of the supply and grounding cables keeping Tiphares in place and ended up destroying a good chunk of the Scrapyard on the surface. And btw Kethere's is in space. Tunguska's beam weapon punched through 6 layers of shields as easily as cutting through air. Alita infected and reconstructed herself through Tunguska's core which was supposedly immune to nanomachine attack and has full access to the energy Tunguska was supplied by. "

That is all well and nice, but she simply has not the h2h, speed, strength, or destructive power of Muten Roshi. 
Ma Jr would kill her easy.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Alita though she loses badly, she gets points because she is voiced by Amanda Winn Lee in English. 
 
She is not at DB power, but she might be a match for Tenshi from Angel Beats.
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