Aizen and Ichigo vs Sesshomaru and Naraku

Topic started by RathGoku on Feb. 28, 2013. Last post by LHWKnight 11 months, 2 weeks ago.
Post by othus12 (8,021 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Whats_out_the_bag: scans?

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,860 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Naraku has taken out a mountain and forest just by being near it. He's even turned a river into a pool of miasma. Aizen and Ichigo would be luck to get close. A big hill/small mountain busting attack is compared to a freebie breeze to his durbility.

@othus12:

Sorry man the attack is called Bakusaiga which you can do your own research on. I'm not stating anything I can't prove it's right in the manga near the end. I know every character here and can defend them all on different levels. So you can take my word, watch the anime (to get a general idea),or you can go and look in the manga.

Also what do you want to see?

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,471 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Whats_out_the_bag: well thats all because of his miasma, he hasnt shown to actually be able to lash it out and destroy something, while FGT Ichigo could destroy him from a distance easily... but technically this isnt FGT ichigo so I cant say much for that. Also he hasnt shown that kind of durability, he uses shields to block those things. thats not durability.

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,860 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Jinbeifan1: Ok if I get a little rude here you've brought it on your self.

ok so tell me what is Naraku's top strength or feat? Mountain or city busting at least? Aizen at least has that much of a durability

Do you not see what you've just fucking wrote? I just listed one of his top feats and it's him taking out the forest or mountain So please don't ask for something then say it wasn't what you wanted. Aizen survived FGT Ichigo with a regeneration that is inferior to Naraku's.

Also he hasnt shown that kind of durability

Did you not read the manga? the part where I said " A big hill/small mountain busting attack is compared to a freebie breeze to his durbility."

was basically from the manga. Wind Scar is a big hill/mountain busting attack, which was compared to as a freebie breeze by Meiōjū.

So let me explain the story that happened in the manga which was a huge turning point for InuYash and Sesshomaru's group as this increased Naraku's durability a lot.

Naraku's incarnation Hakudoshi basically created a demon beast named Mōryōmaru who tries to absorb this Meiōjū demon which must be noted has the hardest shell in the entire world of InuYasha. I'll explain how hard it is in just a moment.

When Moryomaru set up a plan to absorb the Meioju and his shell he gets to the Meioju to go off and find it's scales as this Meioju isn't at his full power and his scales will not only give him more demonic energy,but increase his durbility. (SCAN TIME)

This is the demon with out his scales tanking Wind scar.

Lets quickly look at what the wind scar can do.

Now back to the durbility story...

After this Meioju gets it's shell it's body is now shown to be even stronger than what it was before, it is now harder than diamond.

Lets continue on. So Moryomaru finally continues with his plan and absorbs this demon, and soon later absorbing InuYasha's adamant barrage which is a barrage of big diamond spears. Now adamant barrage Moryomaru has a very powerful body along with diamond. If you want to think about demonic energy being added to this you can but you don't have to as the feats are already there.

Now where does Naraku play into this? Well it was his plan the entire time for everyone to do what they did and make Moryomaru strong so he could later absorb him . Naraku and Moryomaru meet up (Naraku finds him to kill him) , which they take out a forest while doing so.

Which I must then show you some of Naraku's regenerate/endurance that he does a few pages later.

He then gets absorbed by Moryomaru , in which he absorbed Moryomaru from the inside. As he couldn't hurt him from the out side. This is how he can tank that type of attacks. Because his new body is made of an armor that is harder than diamond.

Note people who haven't read the damn manga, this is 100 chapters from the ending so he does get more powerful. EOS Naraku only loses due to PIS not because the cast can beat him, as he can pretty much tank everything in his verse.

Post by sickVisionz (4,311 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@ReliusClover said:

@taichokage: Speed is equal and his defense's going down.

But another thing i would like to question, given that the default state of mind is bloodlust, wouldn't Aizen go for mindrape anyway?

@taichokage said:

Probably Kyouka Suigetsu or Kurohitsugi right away. Honestly though I don't know if he could win that easily.

Aizen in that state doesn't use any of his Zanpakuto abilities. The stronger and more bloodlusted Aizen gets, the less he uses his Zanpakuto, or rather once he gets to a certain level of strength (Chrysallis, which is 2 or 3 evolutions prior to the pictured form of Aizen) he doesn't use his Zanpakuto as anything more than a generic sword.

Post by hakudoshifire (8 posts) See mini bio Level 3

@taichokage: Sorry my fav ichigo though naraku and sesshomaru team up would be one hell tough for ichigo and aizen. no question because its simply understandable even for a 4 year old kid. so anyone who dares, he just a son of scumbag garbage.

you want to know naraku's power / ability?

  • Master Manipulator

Naraku has shown to be a master at manipulating demons and humans alike. Throughout the series he manipulates many people to get what he wants and to not get his own hands dirty. Possibly the most important instance of his manipulation is when he tricked Inuyasha and Kikyō into thinking they had betrayed each other. Naraku transformed into Inuyasha and cut Kikyō down, fatally wounding her. He then transformed into Kikyō and attacked Inuyasha. This caused Inuyasha to feel resentment toward Kikyō and he went to go steal the Sacred Jewel. Kikyō, in turn, thought that Inuyasha had betrayed her and used the last of her strength and spiritual power to shoot a sealing arrow at Inuyasha, pinning him to the Sacred tree. This, ultimately, was to make the Sacred Jewel tainted for Naraku and to get rid of both Kikyō and Inuyasha. This one instance put the entire series in motion and set Inuyasha and the others on their quest to destroy him. Though, there are many other instances in the series where he manipulates others, for example when he offers theSaimyōshō to Sesshōmaru, when he forces a grief-stricken Kōga to confront Inuyasha, and the numerous times he controls Kohaku, just to name a few.

Naraku's minion wasps from hell; he keeps a hive of them with him at all times. Their most common use if for preventing the Wind Tunnel from being used, or poisoning the decendants of monk Miyatsu, who are unfortunate or foolish enough to suck them in. They are also useful for spying on Naraku's enemies, communicating with his subordinates, and gathering Jewel shards. Their stings are fatally toxic to both humans and demons alike, but they are rather weak as far as demons go. Many of them are killed by Inuyasha and his group.

  • Shape-shifting

He can take the form of anything he chooses, usually a humanoid, and change his voice along with his physical appearance. He possesses the young lord, Kagewaki, and remains in that standard form for the rest of the series. We're told by Miroku that every time his grandfather battled Naraku, the demon appeared in a different form, being defeated when Naraku took the form of a beautiful young woman. The most important instance of his shape-shifting would be the time Naraku disguised himself as Kikyo & Inuyasha and made them hate one-another. As his scent doesn't change with his form, Naraku ceased using this ability as Inuyasha and Koga could smell his scent.

  • Demon puppets

Puppets which resemble him in his baboon pelt. He controls them from afar and can see through their eyes. They are mostly made of mud and soil, and are able to spring roots in order to attack opponents. They will only disappear if their heart is destroyed, which is a golem with a piece of Naraku's hair wrapped around it. Following Mount Hakurei, Naraku no longer employs the usage of demonic puppetry as he can survive attacks that would have killed him in the past.

  • Superhuman strength and speed

Much like Sesshōmaru, Naraku is far stronger than a normal demon and can move faster than the eye can see, both in the air and on the ground.

  • Flight

Similarly to Sesshōmaru, Naraku possesses the ability to float midair, and to ride upon a cloud of his own shoki. After his transformation into a full yōkai, Naraku never chose to employ his shoki-sustained flight, but flew only by the strength of his will, while in his barrier.

  • Demon parts

As he is made up of multiple demons in one body, Naraku is able to manipulate their body parts at will in order to restructure and strengthen his body, and he can also regenerate himself from injury and reform his body parts if they are cut off. He most commonly uses these parts to form tentacles which he uses to attack.

  • Absorption

Naraku is able to absorb other demons into his body, adding their powers and body to his own. This is primarily how he gains strength, by seeking out and absorbing strong demons, giving him access to their powers. Naraku can also expel weaker body parts in order to rid himself of them.

  • Psionics

Naraku has shown using various psychic powers and capabilities; including levitation, telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, mind control, illusion-casting, and astral projection.

  • Detachments

He can make incarnations out of his own body to do his dirty work for him. Most have a spider mark on their back which is a result of being born of Naraku when he still was a hanyō with Onigumo inside him. He often removes their hearts to ensure loyalty with the price of death for disobedience.

  • Barrier

A barrier which prevents the foe from finding and/or attacking him. At first his barrier was only useful in hiding his presence. As he gathered more shards of the jewel, he became powerful enough to erect a barrier strong enough to survive the Kaze no Kizu. After Naraku purged his human heart, the barrier became so powerful that nothing but the Kongōsōha and Kikyō's Sacred Arrow was able to penetrate it.

  • Deflection

Whenever someone sends an attack of yōki into Naraku's barrier, he can channel the flow of the attack into his ownjaki and then attack his opponents with it. However, this can only be done with attacks that cannot penetrate his barrier, which means it's useless against Inuyasha's Kongōsōha.

  • Regeneration

Naraku can quickly heal his own wounds and also put back together severed pieces of his body. He can control 100% of his body all the time, even when his body parts or even head are severed, which comes in handy when he is trying to absorb someone. However, there is a limit to how much he can regenerate. The more damage he takes, the more time he will need later on to recover. Too much damage can kill him, which is why he had to flee from his enemies in the beginning of the series. Usually, he will absorb demons to speed up his regeneration process. However, after he removes his heart, which comes out as the Infant, he was able to regenerate no matter how much damage his body took since his life force wasn't in his body.

  • Human/Demon shift

Unlike Inuyasha, who is forced to become fully human on the night of the new moon every month, Naraku, as a half-demon with Onigumo inside him, could choose what time of the month he lost all of his powers. Unlike Inuyasha who became a normal human, he was merely a human head attached to a mass of yōkai parts during this time, which he used to experiment with his body and rid himself of any unnecessary parts. Since the events that have transpired on Mt. Hakurei, he no longer has to become human at any time..

  • Beam attack

Naraku sends out one or more of the horns on his elbows in a zigzag beam attack or extends his fingers into tentacles with a glowing attack at the tip of his fingers to attack his foe(s). In the manga, this attack was of a silverish color while in the anime it is of a purple color.

Naraku's trademark, a poison which kills anything that touches it. It's what makes his poisonous gas. Naraku uses it to cover his entrances and exits, and can surround himself with the gas while flying. He created a "false Shikon shard" for Kōga with this substance. It was able to power Kōga in the manga and anime for a while until it backfired, poisoning him, and ultimately leading him to remove it with the help of Kagome. Naraku's body is filled with it, which is why when a foe bites him or even touches him he/she gets poisoned. Later on, as his power grew upon his transition to full demon, his shōki is able to take on a liquid form and acts like a river of acid. His shōki is so strong that it allows him to break away pieces of the nearly completed Shikon no Tama to use in his schemes. In the current manga, he can melt entire mountains. Over time his shōki has become so dangerous that after he infects Kikyō with it, neither Kagome nor Kikyō's purfication powers seem to be able to purify it. Kikyō absorbs Midoriko's soul in order to protect herself but she comments that she doesn't know how long Midoriko's power can last against Naraku's venom, in the regard that she and Midoriko remain at the same strength while Naraku continues to increase in power. Eventually, even the influence of Midoriko is nullified with Naraku's absorption of the tree and Mōryōmaru.

  • Live Body Pieces

After absorbing Akago/Mōryōmaru, Naraku gained the haku puppet's ability to remotely control his flesh and send them out to scout for other demons whose abilites could prove useful. Naraku has lately used this ability to detach his head while using his Spider Webs, making it easier for him to flee. Also used when Naraku had several of his tentacles and other excessive appendages attack Kohaku for his shard. It is presumebly what allowed his armored copies to move without being directly conntected to him.

  • Spider Webs

Following his re-absorbtion of Onigumo's heart a second time, Naraku gained the ability to create threads of spider silk. Only those of high spiritual power, such as Kikyo and Kagome can see them at all times; Naraku can make the webs visible at will if he wants. Anyone whose heart is corrupt will easily be caught in the webbing, allowing to further defile their hearts if he wishes; he can also show them illusions. The appearance of this ability further nods towards his nature as a Spider half-demon. In his final transformation, Naraku creates a giant body in the shape of a spider, which can, obviously send out threads of spider web to ensnare other demons to add to his body.

  • Shikigami

This power is only displayed in the Playstation 2 RPG InuYasha game; InuYasha: Secret of the Cursed Mask. He obtained this power by deceiving Utsugi, a 'hitogata' duplicate of the original Utsugi, who was created by the priest Kakuju to ease his/her suffering when his/her real wife/husband died. Utsugi, the hitogata, required the soul of a relative of the real Utsugi, and a large portion of the Shikon Jewel, which Naraku provided, and helped in retrieving shards from Kōga to become a true, live human. When Naraku supposedly died, with the jewel in hand, at the hands of Inuyasha & co, the leftover jewel was retrieved by Utsugi behind the scenes. When Utsugi finally retrieved the soul she/he needed, which as it turns out was Kakuju's, Naraku's voice began echoing from the Sacred Jewel, and Naraku took over Utsugi's body rather than absorbing her/him to acquire her shikigami-channeling powers. He became able to use the destructive power of an unknown variety of shikigami, and would time-to-time spout out a long verse when he attacked during the fight in the game. Because this only happens in a game based on the anime and the events of the game stray away from the actual ending of the anime/manga, this power is non-canon.

  • Phantom Castle

Naraku is seen having the ability to create various "Phantom Castles" as a temporary headquarters throughout the series. After being nearly killed by the Red Tessaiga, Naraku abandons the usage of these castles, deciding to be constantly on the move to avoid being found.

  • Dormancy

Naraku has the ability to hide himself within one of his servants and make it appear as though he has disappeared, or have been killed. A simple task; he gets himself "killed'" and hides within the body of a servant of his choice. The only instance we see this is when he hides himself inside of Kohaku. When he was close to emerging from Kohaku a spider mark appeared on his back. To further this scheme, he makes Miroku's Kazaana disappear and returns Kagura's heart to her. This ability has only ever been seen in the 2nd movie, and can be considered non-cannon.

  • Black Magic

Naraku knows many different spells and curses, a prime example being the Wind Tunnel, and the Illusionary Death, used to distract Inuyasha's group when they tried to rescue Kikyo from him.

  • Armor Shell

Upon absorbing Mōryōmaru, he gained the Armor Shell of Meioju, being able to change its size for his own purposes. Upon absorbing Mōryōmaru, he gained the ability to cover himself at will with Mōryōmaru's impenetrable shell. It has been revealed that Naraku is hiding the Shikon Jewel underneath this shell.

you should watch inuyasha episode right away

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Dream said:

@othus12: Generating an attack powerful enough to completely incinerate Aizen before the Hougyoku kicks in on regeneration would be more than enough to dispatch him. It would be a NLF to say Aizen's immortality can hold up to stronger destructive outputs than he can tank or dish out.

Considering it appears all characters involved are in character, it's safe to assume Aizen's not whipping out his shikai's abilities since he got too full of himself with the new body he gained via the Hougyoku. I have to agree with Whats_out_the_bag though that Sesshomaru and Naraku should have this match in the bag due to their hax and greater destructive potential. Sessy's Bakusaiga was potent enough in its power that it casually took out a large group of demons with a single swing and even screwed up the regeneration in one of Naraku's limbs where he had to dispose of it, which would be just as potent against Aizen with Hougyoku. At his strongest power output, Naraku's miasma clouds could melt down an entire mountain and his defenses are ridiculous enough between his barriers (capable of easily tanking a Kaze no Kizu from the Tetsusaiga). his diamond-hard body and high regenerative rates. The Bleach team lack the abilities to compete here with Sessy and Naraku.

Aizen is immortal without the Hogyuku

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

@othus12:

those dont seem better than aizens powers imo

How the hell do thoses not seem better?

all kidos and bakudos

ok....

immortality

His immortality only comes from longevity not the fact he can't die. Just like every other soul reaper in Bleach or demon in InuYasha.

control over the 5 senses

And Naruku has done the same. Control over the 5 senses does not kill someone.

supersonic to hypersonic speed

Speed equal so thats a moot point.

soul burial

And this helps him here how?

how is he gonna escape from getting all his senses controlled?

I can say the same thing for aizen.

how is he gonna bypass aizens immortality?

What immortality? Aizen can be killed just like every other character. His regeneration isn't on Naraku's level,nor is he tanking Sesshomaru's Bakusaoga.

No Aizen is immortal, Which is why they didn't execute him upon his capture and trial. They gave he an extremely long sentence since he can't be killed. it was outright stated in the manga Aizen was immortal. Making everything you just moot at best.

Post by Dream (8,313 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@solesamurai: He isn't immortal. No one in the Soul Society had the power to completely wipe out his body because of the Hougyoku being fused to him and the immortality argument only has character statements to support it.

Saying "oh, he has immortality" won't hold water if he were put up against a planet-buster who could easily dispatch him.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Dream said:

@solesamurai: He isn't immortal. No one in the Soul Society had the power to completely wipe out his body because of the Hougyoku being fused to him and the immortality argument only has character statements to support it.

Saying "oh, he has immortality" won't hold water if he were put up against a planet-buster who could easily dispatch him.

Here's the problem with what you just said. Why would the author write it into the plot that Aizen couldn't be killed due to being Immortal and then further conclude this by having a member of c46 outright state he is immortal if he wasn't actually immortal? And if he was immortal, why wouldn't c46 just execute him? Even with character statements being the only proof, there is still more proof that he is immortal than there is that he isn't and I'll say it once again, Aizen was rejected by the hoguyoku, when he was stated to be immortal, he had absolutely no assistance from the hoguyoku. You could argue that his immortality is a side effect of his time with the hoguyoku but fact remains he is indeed immortal.

Post by Dream (8,313 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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Here's the problem with what you just said. Why would the author write it into the plot that Aizen couldn't be killed due to being Immortal and then further conclude this by having a member of c46 outright state he is immortal if he wasn't actually immortal? And if he was immortal, why wouldn't c46 just execute him? Even with character statements being the only proof, there is still more proof that he is immortal than there is that he isn't and I'll say it once again, Aizen was rejected by the hoguyoku, when he was stated to be immortal, he had absolutely no assistance from the hoguyoku. You could argue that his immortality is a side effect of his time with the hoguyoku but fact remains he is indeed immortal.

The Hougyoku was still fused to Aizen's body and still instinctively sustained his body in a state of regeneration, despite denying him the ability to empower himself through its various transformations. No one in Soul Society had the power to kill him as a result nor has the knowledge to remove it from his body.

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,860 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@solesamurai: So what does this so called immortality do for him? Because we have Naraku and Sesshomaru who are also immortal. I'm just wondering why type of immortal he is. Because I'm pretty sure Naraku and Sesshomaru can kill pretty much any type of immortal. From one who relies on regeneration, switching bodies, longevity or even the undead. The only type I can say they can't kill is a god or a perfect immortal being. Which I think is safe to say Aizen isn't any of those.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

@solesamurai: So what does this so called immortality do for him? Because we have Naraku and Sesshomaru who are also immortal. I'm just wondering why type of immortal he is. Because I'm pretty sure Naraku and Sesshomaru can kill pretty much any type of immortal. From one who relies on regeneration, switching bodies, longevity or even the undead. The only type I can say they can't kill is a god or a perfect immortal being. Which I think is safe to say Aizen isn't any of those.

Well considering he's a soul reaper, which are spirits who can be considered conceptual beings. So yes he can be considered a god, but since he spent elongated time with the Hoguyoku I'd say he's more of a perfect immortal being, since soul reapers also have the ability to kill all of he aformentioned immortal "types" you named, yet still weren't able to execute Aizen. Both Hollows and Bounts displayed nearly all of the characteristics you mentioned and were also defeated by shinigami. So I Doubt Naraku and Sesshomaru would be able to kill him.

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,860 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@solesamurai: Um... Ok

Well considering he's a soul reaper, which are spirits who can be considered conceptual beings.

So what went through your mind when you thought soul reapers were even anything like conceptual beings?

Please define this conceptual being, as I've always thought of them to be more on a cosmic scale, but please go on.

So yes he can be considered a god, but since he spent elongated time with the Hoguyoku I'd say he's more of a perfect immortal being

By which standards? What did he do to even be considered a perfect immortal?

since soul reapers also have the ability to kill all of he aformentioned immortal "types" you named

So when did they kill someone who was a god? Or a perfect immortal?

yet still weren't able to execute Aizen.

If they can't kill him then how did they kill this perfect immortal?

Both Hollows and Bounts displayed nearly all of the characteristics you mentioned and were also defeated by shinigami.

ROFL...... You do know that Bounts are noncannon. Who cares if they defeated them. Aizen was also defeated. Hollows can also kill soul reapers just like everyone else. Even the humans can kill soul reapers. It isn't like you have to be a soul reaper to kill a soul reaper. . Not only that they can be killed or hurt by hollows. Now hollows can be hurt with a street pole. Seeing how that works we can conclude they are not considered conceptual beings.

So I Doubt Naraku and Sesshomaru would be able to kill him.

So your logic is. If hollows and bounts didn't beat them that means wouldn't be able to kill them???

Naraku has pretty much done everything Aizen has done on a higher level. Aizen with the Hogyoku becomes the bleach version of Naraku. The only thing is the hogyoku is weaker than the jewel of four souls.

Sesshomaru possess two blades one called bakusaiga that can and will kill Aizen. Seeing how he isn't tanking it.

His other blade would be a bane to soul reapers as it allow him to kill anything that not of this world. So he can kill ghost, gods of death,and guardians of the underworld. Stuff like that.

I could go on about what they can do, but I'm just wondering when do you plan on showing proof to your empty statements.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,823 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Whats_out_the_bag: ^Thank you for that beautiful post.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Whats_out_the_bag: Um... Ok

Well considering he's a soul reaper, which are spirits who can be considered conceptual beings.

So what went through your mind when you thought soul reapers where even anything like conceptual beings?

Please define this conceptual being, as I've always thought of them to be more on a cosmic scale, but please go on.

Well a conceptual being is neccessarily a cosmic entitity, conceptual beings are essentially beings made up of literally concepts, like time, space, spirit etc. Soul reapers are spirits, therefor I assume them to be conceptual beings.

So yes he can be considered a god, but since he spent elongated time with the Hoguyoku I'd say he's more of a perfect immortal being

By which standards? What did he do to even be considered a perfect immortal?

I considered him a perfect immortal; being because 1. You asked a sketchy question and I felt like it would be in my best interest to answer within the boundaries of your knowledge and 2. That was literally the closest thing you named, that he could be considered.

since soul reapers also have the ability to kill all of he aformentioned immortal "types" you named

So when did they kill someone who was a god? Or a perfect immortal?

I meant all of the others, like undeads etc, I worded that weird so i can see where you got confused.

yet still weren't able to execute Aizen.

If they can't kill him then how did they kill this perfect immortal?

I answered this

Both Hollows and Bounts displayed nearly all of the characteristics you mentioned and were also defeated by shinigami.

ROFL...... You do know that Bounts are noncannon. Who cares if they defeated them. Aizen was also defeated. Hollows can also kill soul reapers just like everyone else. Even the humans can kill soul reapers. It's like like you have to be a soul reaper to kill one. . Not only that they can be killed or hurt by hollows. Now hollows can be hurt with a street pole. Seeing how that works we can conclude they are not considered conceptual beings.

I do know bounts are non canon, they are however fucking undeads, which were killed it was an example don't take it to the heart. Aizen was defeated. not killed, the bounts were killed, see my point now? I never stated you neded to be a sould reaper to kill one, you're making shit up now. Hollows are literally the negative to soul reapers, of course hollows have the ability to kill them. Hollows can be hurt by people because they are essentially demonic in nature, not conceptual. Like i said before concepts DO NOT have to be cosmic entities in nature by any means, just like being a Cosmic entity in nature does not make you conceptual. You also do not have to be very powerful to be conceptual, at all. Concepts fall along the lines of Space, Time, Mind, Spirit etc. It's literally things that can be considered to exist but do not at the same time, that's the way I understood it when it was explained to me anyways.

So I Doubt Naraku and Sesshomaru would be able to kill him.

So your logic is. If hollows and bounts didn't beat them that means wouldn't be able to kill them???

Naraku has pretty much done everything Aizen has done on a higher level. Aizen with the Hogyoku becomes the bleach version of Naraku. The only thing is the hogyoku is weaker than the jewel of four souls.

Sesshomaru possess two blades one called bakusaiga that can and will kill Aizen. Seeing how he isn't tanking it.

His other blade would be a bane to soul reapers as it allow him to kill anything that not of this world. So he can kill ghost, gods of death,and guardians of the underworld. Stuff like that.

I could go on about what they can do, but I'm just wondering when do you plan on showing proof to your empty statements

No My logic is, if he has never been shown to be mortal in anyway, why in the actual hell would Naraku and Sesshomaru of all people be able to make a mortal out of him? These aren't exactly cosmic entities themselves. I never made any empty statements, and you're using the phrase wrong. An empty statement would be me saying "Aizen can kill both of these guys easy" Me explaing to you how they can't kill him because of the whole he's immortal thing, is not empty, get a clue. Hoe about you back up half of your empty statements show me a scan of sesshomaru killing anyone who has immortality comparable to aizen and then we'll talk.

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,860 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@solesamurai:

No My logic is, if he has never been shown to be mortal in anyway, why in the actual hell would Naraku and Sesshomaru of all people be able to make a mortal out of him?

ROFL. Ok so just because Sesshomaru has never been shown to be mortal in anyway, why would Aizen of all people be able to make a mortal out of him?

I just wanted you to see what you've just said.

These aren't exactly cosmic entities themselves.

You're damn straight they aren't.

I never made any empty statements, and you're using the phrase wrong

Um.. sure... One sec I'll show you an empty statement.

An empty statement would be me saying "Aizen can kill both of these guys easy" Me explaing to you how they can't kill him because of the whole he's immortal thing, is not empty, get a clue.

No. An empty statement would be Aizen is a god, or he's a perfect immortal who can't be killed. This is an empty statement. Want to know why? Well seeing how you've never taken the time to even prove this theory of your it's pretty much a moot point. Or better yet fan fiction.

How about you back up half of your empty statements show me a scan of sesshomaru killing anyone who has immortality comparable to aizen and then we'll talk.

How about you take the time to explain how he's a perfect immortal then I can use your same logic to prove that Naraku is one as well. Seeing how Aizen is the fake Naraku it shouldn't be hard. So you want me to give you a scan of Seshomaru killing an immortal? How about a few thousand immortal demons?

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Whats_out_the_bag said:

@solesamurai:

No My logic is, if he has never been shown to be mortal in anyway, why in the actual hell would Naraku and Sesshomaru of all people be able to make a mortal out of him?

ROFL. Ok so just because Sesshomaru has never been shown to be mortal in anyway, why would Aizen of all people be able to make a mortal out of him?

I just wanted you to see what you've just said.

These aren't exactly cosmic entities themselves.

You're damn straight they aren't.

I never made any empty statements, and you're using the phrase wrong

Um.. sure... One sec I'll show you an empty statement.

An empty statement would be me saying "Aizen can kill both of these guys easy" Me explaing to you how they can't kill him because of the whole he's immortal thing, is not empty, get a clue.

No. An empty statement would be Aizen is a god, nor he's a perfect immortal who can't be killing. This is an empty statement. Want to know why? Well seeing how you've never taken the time to even prove this theory of your it's pretty much a moot point. Or better yet fan fiction.

Hoe about you back up half of your empty statements show me a scan of sesshomaru killing anyone who has immortality comparable to aizen and then we'll talk.

How about you take the time to explain how he's a perfect immortal then I can use your same logic to prove that Naraku is one as well. Seeing how Aizen is the fake Naraku it shouldn't be hard. So you want me to give you a scan of Seshomaru killing an immortal? How about a few thousand immortal demons?

You see how you just back tracked asking me for scans about my supposedly "empty statements" yet refuse to actually show scans for yourself? That's called hypocrisy. you never even showed me where i made an empty statement because you can't since i never fucking did it. You see that's YOU making an empty statement. Saying that me saying 'Aizen is immortal" and then going in to name him Immortal among the boundaries you set is not immortal, that's called giving vague descriptions, and even then it's a stretch. You've never taken to time to prove how sesshomaru, or naraku can even wound Aizen for elongated periods of time let alone actually kill him, making your entire argument moot. Those demons aren't immortal if they can be killed then are they? If anything they're most likely very long lived, but i seriously doubt they were stated to be immortal. go ahead and post the scans I'm interested.

Post by Dream (8,313 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@solesamurai: As whats_in_the_bag keeps telling you, immortality comes in differing forms in fictional titles.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Dream said:

@solesamurai: As whats_in_the_bag keeps telling you, immortality comes in differing forms in fictional titles.

1. He hasn't said that once, he keeps asking me how Aizen can be considered a perfect immortal being.

2. I know that, i answered within his boundaries which I assumed to be his boundary of knowledge on immortals.

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