Aizen and Ichigo vs Sesshomaru and Naraku

Topic started by RathGoku on Feb. 28, 2013. Last post by LHWKnight 9 months, 1 week ago.
Post by RathGoku (15 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Aizen
Aizen
Naraku
Naraku

Speed equal.

Current Ichigo

EOS Naraku and Sesshomaru

Aizen- Has possession of the Hogyoku

Naraku - Has possession of the Shikon no Tama

Who ever is left alive wins.

Post by taichokage (14,218 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Aizen and Ichigo. Overall more powerful team. Aizen beats Naraku, Ichigo can beat Sesshoumaru. Well, that depends. Technically speaking Ichigo's zanpakutou is damaged. But regardless I could even see Aizen soloing this.
Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Team 2 rapes.

Post by othus12 (7,334 posts) See mini bio Level 13

easy battle for aizen and ichigo

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I'll make it quick and simple. Naraku has already beaten him in a post here. Aizen's strong, but Naraku has a lot better hax abilities and powers in his bag. Sesshomaru could casually Swing his blade and kill everyone here. Seeing how Aizen nor Ichigo would be tanking it.

Post by taichokage (14,218 posts) See mini bio Level 20
I revisited that thread. It was 2 who felt Aizen would win (myself included) and two who felt Naraku would win. I wouldn't call that a win for either side.
Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Well please enlighten me on how Aizen is going to magically kill someone with better powers than him.

Post by othus12 (7,334 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Whats_out_the_bag: by those powers you mean??

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I'm not the type to show my cards so I'll show half.

  • Master Manipulator

Naraku has shown to be a master at manipulating demons and humans alike. Throughout the series he manipulates many people to get what he wants and to not get his own hands dirty. Possibly the most important instance of his manipulation is when he tricked Inuyasha and Kikyō into thinking they had betrayed each other. Naraku transformed into Inuyasha and cut Kikyō down, fatally wounding her. He then transformed into Kikyō and attacked Inuyasha. This caused Inuyasha to feel resentment toward Kikyō and he went to go steal the Sacred Jewel. Kikyō, in turn, thought that Inuyasha had betrayed her and used the last of her strength and spiritual power to shoot a sealing arrow at Inuyasha, pinning him to the Sacred tree. This, ultimately, was to make the Sacred Jewel tainted for Naraku and to get rid of both Kikyō and Inuyasha. This one instance put the entire series in motion and set Inuyasha and the others on their quest to destroy him. Though, there are many other instances in the series where he manipulates others, for example when he offers theSaimyōshō to Sesshōmaru, when he forces a grief-stricken Kōga to confront Inuyasha, and the numerous times he controls Kohaku, just to name a few.

Naraku's minion wasps from hell. They are useful for stopping Miroku's Wind Tunnel, spying on his enemies, communicating with his subordinates, and gathering Jewel shards. Their stings are fatally toxic to both humans and demons alike, but they are rather weak as far as demons go. Many of them are killed by Inuyasha and his group.

  • Shape-shifting

He can take the form of anything he chooses, usually a humanoid, and change his voice along with his physical appearance. He possesses the young lord, Kagewaki, and remains in that standard form for the rest of the series. We're told by Miroku that every time his grandfather battled Naraku, the demon appeared in a different form, being defeated when Naraku took the form of a beautiful young woman. The most important instance of his shape-shifting would be the time Naraku disguised himself as Kikyo & Inuyasha and made them hate one-another.

  • Demon puppets

Puppets which resemble him. He controls them from afar and can see through their eyes. They are mostly made of mud and soil, and are able to spring roots in order to attack opponents. They will only disappear if their heart is destroyed, which is a golem with a piece of Naraku's hair wrapped around it.

  • Superhuman strength and speed

Much like Sesshōmaru, Naraku is far stronger than a normal demon and can move faster than the eye can see, both in the air and on the ground.

  • Flight

Similarly to Sesshōmaru, Naraku possesses the ability to float midair, and to ride upon a cloud of his own shoki. After his transformation into a full yōkai, Naraku never chose to employ his shoki-sustained flight, but flew only by the strength of his will.

  • Demon parts

As he is made up of multiple demons in one body, Naraku is able to manipulate their body parts at will in order to restructure and strengthen his body, and he can also regenerate himself from injury and reform his body parts if they are cut off. He most commonly uses these parts to form tentacles which he uses to attack.

  • Absorption

Naraku is able to absorb other demons into his body, adding their powers and body to his own. This is primarily how he gains strength, by seeking out and absorbing strong demons, giving him access to their powers. Naraku can also expel weaker body parts in order to rid himself of them.

  • Psionics

Naraku has shown using various psychic powers and capabilities; including levitation, telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, mind control, illusion-casting, and astral projection.

  • Detachments

He can make incarnations out of his own body to do his dirty work for him. Most have a spider mark on their back which is a result of being born of Naraku when he still was a hanyō with Onigumo inside him.

  • Barrier

A barrier which prevents the foe from finding and/or attacking him. At first his barrier was only useful in hiding his presence. As he gathered more shards of the jewel, he became powerful enough to erect a barrier strong enough to survive the Kaze no Kizu. After Naraku purged his human heart, the barrier became so powerful that nothing but the Kongōsōha and Kikyō's Sacred Arrow was able to penetrate it.

  • Deflection

Whenever someone sends an attack of yōki into Naraku's barrier he can channel the flow of the attack into his ownjaki and then attack his opponents with it. However, this can only be done with attacks that cannot penetrate his barrier, which means it's useless against Inuyasha's Kongōsōha.

  • Regeneration

Naraku can quickly heal his own wounds and also put back together severed pieces of his body. He can control 100% of his body all the time, even when his body parts or even head are severed, which comes in handy when he is trying to absorb someone. However, there is a limit to how much he can regenerate. The more damage he takes, the more time he will need later on to recover. Too much damage can kill him, which is why he had to flee from his enemies in the beginning of the series. Usually, he will absorb demons to speed up his regeneration process. However, after he removes his heart, which comes out as Akago, he was able to regenerate no matter how much damage his body took since his life force wasn't in his body.

  • Human/Demon shift

Unlike Inuyasha, who is forced to become fully human on the night of the new moon every month, Naraku, as a half-demon with Onigumo inside him, could choose what time of the month he lost all of his powers. Unlike Inuyasha who became a normal human, he was merely a human head attached to a mass of yōkai parts during this time, which he used to experiment with his body and rid himself of any unnecessary parts. Since the events that have transpired on Mt. Hakurei, he no longer has to become human at any time..

  • Beam attack

Naraku sends out one or more of the horns on his elbows in a zigzag beam attack or extends his fingers into tentacles with a glowing attack at the tip of his fingers to attack his foe(s). In the manga this attack was of a silverfish color and in the anime it is of a purple color.

Naraku's trademark, a poison which kills anything that touches it. It's what makes his poisonous gas. Naraku uses it to cover his entrances and exits, and can surround himself with the gas while flying. He created a "false Shikon shard" for Kōga with this substance. It was able to power Kōga in the manga and anime for a while until it backfired, poisoning him, and ultimately leading him to remove it with the help of Kagome. Naraku's body is filled with it, which is why when a foe bites him or even touches him he/she gets poisoned. Later on, as his power grew upon his transition to full demon, his shōki is able to take on a liquid form and acts like a river of acid. His shōki is so strong that it allows him to break away pieces of the nearly completed Shikon no Tama to use in his schemes. In the current manga, he can melt entire mountains. Over time his shōki has become so dangerous that after he infects Kikyō with it, neither Kagome nor Kikyō's purfication powers seem to be able to purify it. Kikyō absorbs Midoriko's soul in order to protect herself but she comments that she doesn't know how long Midoriko's power can last against Naraku's venom, in the regard that she and Midoriko remain at the same strength while Naraku continues to increase in power. Eventually, even the influence of Midoriko is nullified with Naraku's absorption of the tree and Mōryōmaru.

  • Live Body Pieces

After absorbing Akago/Mōryōmaru, Naraku gained the power to merge pieces of his body with other demons, thus giving him control over them and increasing their regenerative abilities. He can send pieces of his body abroad to scout for new demons, for him to add into his body. It is important to note that these pieces, after becoming separate of Naraku's body, became living beings that can move and fight on their own.

  • Shikigami

This power is only displayed in the Playstation 2 RPG InuYasha game; InuYasha: Secret of the Cursed Mask. He obtained this power by deceiving Utsugi, a 'hitogata' duplicate of the original Utsugi, who was created by the priest Kakuju to ease his/her suffering when his/her real wife/husband died. Utsugi, the hitogata, required the soul of a relative of the real Utsugi, and a large portion of the Shikon Jewel, which Naraku provided, and helped in retrieving shards from Kōga to become a true, live human. When Naraku supposedly died, with the jewel in hand, at the hands of Inuyasha & co, the leftover jewel was retrieved by Utsugi behind the scenes. When Utsugi finally retrieved the soul she/he needed, which as it turns out was Kakuju's, Naraku's voice began echoing from the Sacred Jewel, and Naraku took over Utsugi's body rather than absorbing her/him to acquire her shikigami-channeling powers. He became able to use the destructive power of an unknown variety of shikigami, and would time-to-time spout out a long verse when he attacked during the fight in the game. Because this only happens in a game based on the anime and the events of the game stray away from the actual cliffhanger ending of the anime, this power is un-canon.

  • Phantom Castle

Naraku is seen having the ability to create various "Phantom Castles" as a temporary headquarters throughout the series.

  • Dormancy

Naraku has the ability to hide himself within one of his servants and make it appear as though he has disappeared, or have been killed. A simple task; he gets himself "killed'" and hides within the body of a servant of his choice. The only instance we see this is when he hides himself inside of Kohaku. When he was close to emerging from Kohaku a spider mark appeared on his back. To further this scheme, he makes Miroku's Kazaana disappear and returns Kagura's heart to her. This ability has only ever been seen in the 2nd movie, and can be considered non-cannon.

  • Black Magic

Naraku knows many different spells and curses, a prime example being the Kazaana, and the Illusory Death, as seen in Episode 33.

  • Armor Shell

Upon absorbing Mōryōmaru, he gained the Armor Shell. Upon absorbing Mōryōmaru, he gained the ability to cover himself at will with Mōryōmaru's impenetrable shell. It has been revealed that Naraku is hiding the Shikon Jewel underneath this shell.

Post by othus12 (7,334 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Whats_out_the_bag: those dont seem better than aizens powers imo

all kidos and bakudos

immortality

control over the 5 senses

supersonic to hypersonic speed

soul burial

how is he gonna escape from getting all his senses controlled?

how is he gonna bypass aizens immortality?

Post by Dream (7,903 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@othus12: Generating an attack powerful enough to completely incinerate Aizen before the Hougyoku kicks in on regeneration would be more than enough to dispatch him. It would be a NLF to say Aizen's immortality can hold up to stronger destructive outputs than he can tank or dish out.

Considering it appears all characters involved are in character, it's safe to assume Aizen's not whipping out his shikai's abilities since he got too full of himself with the new body he gained via the Hougyoku. I have to agree with Whats_out_the_bag though that Sesshomaru and Naraku should have this match in the bag due to their hax and greater destructive potential. Sessy's Bakusaiga was potent enough in its power that it casually took out a large group of demons with a single swing and even screwed up the regeneration in one of Naraku's limbs where he had to dispose of it, which would be just as potent against Aizen with Hougyoku. At his strongest power output, Naraku's miasma clouds could melt down an entire mountain and his defenses are ridiculous enough between his barriers (capable of easily tanking a Kaze no Kizu from the Tetsusaiga). his diamond-hard body and high regenerative rates. The Bleach team lack the abilities to compete here with Sessy and Naraku.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,680 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12 said:

@Whats_out_the_bag: those dont seem better than aizens powers imo

all kidos and bakudos

immortality

control over the 5 senses

supersonic to hypersonic speed

soul burial

how is he gonna escape from getting all his senses controlled?

how is he gonna bypass aizens immortality?

Naraku is not going to put himself in the way of Aizen at first, he's going to have decoys figure out his powers, then eventually overpower Aizen and absorb him. His immortality didn't stop him from being sealed and imprisoned, it certainly won't help him from being absorbed.

Post by ReliusClover (784 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Yeah with the equal speed team 2 should take this.

Post by taichokage (14,218 posts) See mini bio Level 20
I don't know if I'd give destructive capacity to Naraku when Aizen can use at least 6 fragor at once. And Aizen's defenses are just as good, with durability even in base enough to tank hadou 96 without any damage, regeneration and barriers himself on top of immortality. Even if Immortality is in question, it's not like Aizen doesn't have the defense or speed to deal with Naraku's attacks.
Post by ReliusClover (784 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@taichokage: Speed is equal and his defense's going down.

But another thing i would like to question, given that the default state of mind is bloodlust, wouldn't Aizen go for mindrape anyway?

Post by taichokage (14,218 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Probably Kyouka Suigetsu or Kurohitsugi right away. Honestly though I don't know if he could win that easily.
Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12:

those dont seem better than aizens powers imo

How the hell do thoses not seem better?

all kidos and bakudos

ok....

immortality

His immortality only comes from longevity not the fact he can't die. Just like every other soul reaper in Bleach or demon in InuYasha.

control over the 5 senses

And Naruku has done the same. Control over the 5 senses does not kill someone.

supersonic to hypersonic speed

Speed equal so thats a moot point.

soul burial

And this helps him here how?

how is he gonna escape from getting all his senses controlled?

I can say the same thing for aizen.

how is he gonna bypass aizens immortality?

What immortality? Aizen can be killed just like every other character. His regeneration isn't on Naraku's level,nor is he tanking Sesshomaru's Bakusaoga.

Post by othus12 (7,334 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Whats_out_the_bag: just show me an attack stronger than mugetsu and i will concede

Post by Whats_out_the_bag (1,540 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12: Bakusaiga. As Aizen wouldn't be regenerating from it unlike mugetsu.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,355 posts) See mini bio Level 14

ok so tell me what is Naraku's top strength or feat? Mountain or city busting at least? Aizen at least has that much of a durability

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