Accelerator (to aru majutsu no index) vs Lucy (Elfen lied)

Topic started by Haiken on Dec. 31, 2013. Last post by GeneralVan 7 months, 1 week ago.
Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Setting: Abandoned city with lots of skyscrapers..

Starts both at 100 feet away..

Rules:

No planet busting

Both at full power, bloodlusted..

Both awakened..

Ablities:

Accelerator--

  • Earthquake Generation: By altering the vector of force applied to the ground by his feet, he causes a little explosion made of earth and rocks to attack his opponents. At the beginning of the series this was his most common method of attack. He can also use this to propel himself forward, as seen in the Sisters Arc, or cause massive destruction to the ground and surrounding buildings due to shockwaves created by the impact, as seen during his scuffle with Awaki in the Tree Diagram Remnant Arc.
  • Tactile Telekinesis: By touching an object, he can use his ability to change the magnitude of vectors he comes in contact with, such as seen during his fight with Kamijou Touma in the Sisters Arc. This allows him to change the vectors of objects in such a way that he can turn them to projectiles. An example of the use of this ability is in his fight with Touma, when he lightly kicked a rock to make it shoot like a bullet, or when he stomped on train rails to push them out of their sockets, and lightly knocked on them to make those rails rain upon Touma. This ability also allows him to mimic superhuman strength, as he once used it to pick up and throw a concrete wall.
  • Aerokinesis: He can re-vector the surrounding winds and force them to congregate at a single point creating an extremely high velocity wind, but it had flaws like when the wind is moving in an abnormal direction or when his vector calculations are disturbed by sound as showed as with Kihara in the Volume 13.
  • Plasma Generation: He can even create plasma by further compressing the wind at high speeds in a single point.
  • Kinetic Energy Manipulation: Shown in Volume 13, he takes control of the planet's rotational vectors and transfers an enormous amount of that energy into one attack. This attack used up so much of the planets rotational energy that it slowed down the the earth's rotation by about 5 minutes.
  • Mind Hacking: In accord to him by redirecting the electrical signals of the human body he can take 'control' over them and rewrite the memories and personality of the people as showed with Last Order in the Vol.5. However this type of application is extremely difficult, as the precision of this process requires all his brainpower to a point when he doesn't have enough calculating ability for his redirection leaving him vulnerable. With Accelerator's calculation ability reduced to less than half, this application seems to be no longer usable.
  • Flight: By controlling the wind around him he creates about 4 high-powered tornadoes behind him to allow him to fly. Showed in Vol.8 and 15. He is also able to redirect the vectors of gravity upon him.

Lucy--

Vector Range: 1.4m (before the start of the series) 2m (normal) 5m (with long horns) Worldwide (end of manga).

Strength: Very strong (in the beginning of the manga and the anime), according to Nana and enormous (enough to destroy the whole Earth) in the end of manga.

Speed: Unknown, about average of a Diclonius.

Vector Special Abilities: Cell reconstruction/restoration, giving a healing ability. Ability to use vectors in the "sleeping state" (as Nyu, but they are far weaker) and while in pain. Like those of other powerful Diclonius, they can also vibrate so fast that they become visible.

Kills: Over 9,000 people, implied to perhaps be in the many tens of thousands.

Post by Dream (7,418 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Accelerator's vectors should be capable of auto-protecting him from Lucy's vector attacks, meaning Lucy would be incapable of harming him. Dark Wings or any ability he could muster up via his vectors would be more than enough to off Lucy.

Post by taichokage (12,904 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Couldn't have put it better than that.
Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10
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Unless of course Lucy's intangible vectors completely pass through his defenses and just carve his body to pieces. Lucy can also just block anything he throws at her. And of course if Lucy goes all out Destroyer Mode, I don't see Accelerator doing anything but being reduced to a smear.
Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ReiKai: The problem is.. accelerator freely controls vector.. the moment that lucy's vector touches him, he might be able to control it.. or even take over lucy's control of vector.. This is awakened accelerator that took a direct hit from telesma and survived in one piece..

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@ReiKai: Vectors are psychic manifestations of Lucy's mind when they form and Accelerator's vectors and Dark Wings have been shown to auto-protect him from various matters of attack like conventional weapons, magic, various esper abilities and even Telesma (the energy used by saints) attacks while in Angel form. In the novels, I've heard that his defenses were potent enough to fend off a saint attack created by Fiamma of the Right that would have been strong enough to destroy all of Eurasia (the combined mass of Europe and Asia). At best, Lucy's vectors were shown to fend off missile fire coming from military planes and they are nowhere as ridiculously versatile and hax as Accelerator's abilities.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,556 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Yeah, Accelerator fights espers all the time, esper translates to psychic. Lucy's vector's are psychic. Accelerator dominates Lucy.

Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10
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@Dream
I don't feel Accel can take control or stop all of this at once. And it's quite improbable he'd be able to control her mind. I believe that required physical contact. Also, multiple personalities are quite a bitch to deal with.
 
Again, this is if Lucy goes full Destroyer right from the start. If not, Accel has the higher probability of putting her down.
Post by taichokage (12,904 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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It might be questionable but if Lucy took the vectors to that level, she would die too. That's assuming she'd get the chance. The best case scenario for Lucy would be a double ko.
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@ReiKai: Lucy's combined vector numbers are only city-busting level in their destructive scope from when she destroyed the diclonius institution and while their range became ridiculous in her fully powered state, they still focus on regular diclonius tactics of lifting or cutting up physical objects and living beings they come into contact with. This wouldn't cut it against neither Accelerator's vectors nor Dark Wings, as they have fended off worst threats. And vector control and Dark Wings would allow Accelerator to do more than just mess with Lucy's body. He could create F7 tornadoes by manipulating the wind to a fixed point, create plasma storms, disintegrate physical matter, use the Earth's rotational energy for a kinetic blast and even use Lucy's own powers against her. There's no way I picture the diclonius winning here.

Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10
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@Dream: Lucy already had unimaginable power. Pushing herself a bit she was generator neutrons, the same energy form created during nuclear fusion. Lucy was so powerful, that a giant dyclonius designed to counter Vectors and nullify them, transformed into a mobile craft, was so terrified of Lucy's power it couldn't even react. Lucy is a global threat and could impede other Vectors. She was destroying missiles and ships miles away without ever having to see them. And apparently her song could be heard across radio frequencies while healing Kouta.
 
Her Vectors weren't as normal. They were quite massive when she was going all out and they affected the wind and atmosphere around them as well. And I believe she did create a 30m tall wave originating in shallow water.
Post by Dream (7,418 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Raigen: All this time and you're still the same as you have been with overblowing things. -_-*

Lucy already had unimaginable power.

In the scale of her world compared to diclonius, sure. But being in Accelerator's league, not really.

Pushing herself a bit she was generator neutrons, the same energy form created during nuclear fusion.

So she now possesses power equivalent to a nuke or generating enough power to create a mini-star? Sure.

Lucy's power output was different between herself and the DNA Voice when it took over her body. When Lucy unleashed her power, her vectors were still at regular size and could stretch for at least several miles as they inflicted varying degrees of damage to buildings that eventually collapsed due to the damage they suffered. She also gained the power of cellular restoration in this state.

When the DNA Voice took over, that was when the size of her vectors increased where they could easily level buildings and could stretch for at least more than 62 miles (the distance from the ground on Earth to space). We're not shown if they can stretch further than whatever was shown in the manga, though the DNA Voice's blind rage made her attacks nowhere as accurate as Lucy's.

Regardless, she can't use such power for prolonged periods of time as her body was rapidly breaking down when she unleashed her full power. That and being an esper himself, Accelerator's vectors and Dark Wings shouldn't have any problem blocking them as each vector could only level a building at their strongest power output.

Lucy was so powerful, that a giant dyclonius designed to counter Vectors and nullify them, transformed into a mobile craft, was so terrified of Lucy's power it couldn't even react.

Partly, though not to the extent you believe. The vector craft also feared Lucy for the rageful state she was in when she unleashed her power.

And apparently her song could be heard across radio frequencies while healing Kouta.

And this matters, why?

They were quite massive when she was going all out and they affected the wind and atmosphere around them as well. And I believe she did create a 30m tall wave originating in shallow water.

The so-called wind and atmospheric changes were only coming from the extreme speed of the vectors as they traveled about from their combined might. Nothing to do with power output.

Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ReiKai: Is that Lucy's best feat? sure they are many and big.. how about destructive power? All of those will have to make contact with accelerator.. Accelerator in white wing mode stopped a telesma that has the power to wipe out an entire continent, and accelerator did this while he is at a weakened state after battling angels and taking damage from misaka worst (he let her damage him and did not fight back), then he casted a magic which is supposed to be fatal when used by espers..

Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Accelerator can fly and is double digits Mach in speed (Mach 20+ if I recall).

Accelerators vector field is such that even teleporting objects into his body does not work, Accelerator can even update/upgrade said vector field (he did this against number 2 level 5 esper).

Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Accel is on a higher level than lucy, even at full power. While accel did not tank the full brunt of fiammas continent destroying laser (he even said he couldn't surviving its full power iirc) in his fights with kakine, and in Russia against Gabriel, Accel demonstrates a level of defence that lucy would be unable to breach, as well as the necessary offense to overpower Lucy's vectors and kill her. Lucy's one chance would be to attack with her vectors in such a manner as to be bypass Accel s defence, a la kihara- which I dont seem happening.

EDIT: Didn't mean to make it sounds like Lucy has no chance, if a raging full power Lucy were dropped into academy city she would definitely be a high, Vento or saint level threat, and if she happened to attack base Accel in that state she could very well kill him. Accel needs to fight very seriously to win here, probably requiring at least black wing mode.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Accel is just too strong for Kaede, his vectors outclass hers and he could do every thing she could without the negative effect because he is and angel class.

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,696 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dream said:

Accelerator's vectors should be capable of auto-protecting him from Lucy's vector attacks, meaning Lucy would be incapable of harming him. Dark Wings or any ability he could muster up via his vectors would be more than enough to off Lucy.

This

Post by CrosswindVortex (146 posts) See mini bio Level 9

I don't know much about the index series other than it was a terrible anime but I'm assuming Accelerater is op since people match him against Magneto

Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@CrosswindVortex: I'll tell you something about him.. He pretty much can change the vector value of anything, be it energy or unknown substance to the world.. in white wings mode he has the capability to compute infinite vectors in an instant.. He's a potential life wiper.. Could even withstand a nuke even when asleep..

The anime version might be terrible as you said, but the light novels are good.. try it :)

I thought lucy would be a match for him since they both control vectors..

Post by katanalauncher (405 posts) See mini bio Level 6
Speaking about index anime, I really hope someone other than jc pick up season 3, although that's pretty much an impossibility at this point. I've never seen an anime adaptation butchered something as badly as index ii since tsukihime, which also happened to be adapted by jc, coincidence? I think not.
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