Anime Fillers

Topic started by megamoses10 on Jan. 2, 2012. Last post by Hibaru 2 years, 11 months ago.
Post by megamoses10 (5 posts) See mini bio Level 13

Why do anime shows always have fillers? i hate fillers, almost every anime has fillers. the only anime shows that i have seen that do not have fillers are gundam 00 and deadman's wonderland. they are my two favorite anime. what do you guys think about fillers in anime shows?

Post by paladin (1,195 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@megamoses10: Deadman Wonderland DOES have a few alterations and fillers compared to the original manga. Although aside from that it's still pretty honest to the source. 
Also Gundam 00 is an anime-original series. Fillers exist when an adaptation adds new content which differs from the original source. As such the term "filler" cannot be used for Gundam 00.  
 
Anyways, fillers exists as their name imply: To drag out the story. There are good and bad fillers. Good fillers are added to give additional depth or pad out the parts that were never mentioned in the source. For example if there's a fight scene in the novel that was described as an exchange of 1000 attacks then it's the job of the animators to be creative and imagine how did the two fighters clash their weapons 1000 times. There are also the bad fillers. Fanservice and other useless elements that have little meaning. Perhaps these often have justification, either for marketing purposes ("sex sells", which is mind you redundant but works for a certain group of people), cost-saving (they have a limited budget) or for the pacing reasons (stretching out the episode a little for it to end exactly at climax thus hooking up people for the next upcoming episode).
 
Or perhaps you meant filler episodes. Well, I pretty much agree. They waste the precious episode count without usually adding anything revelant to the plot. Not to mention that the quality of the filler stories usually drop compared to the parts based on the original source. That's another annoying thing.
Post by sickVisionz (4,310 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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I prefer the concept of filler to the US alternative where shows just disappear for a few months/weeks in the middle of a season or they aren't airing for multiple seasons out of the year. If a filler stinks I can just stop watching it and it's as if it doesn't exist. If it's good, I'm happy that I got to watch a good episode from a series that I like.

Post by Dr_Ventum (162 posts) See mini bio Level 7

It's either lots of filler or deviating from the source material.

Personally I actually prefer the later. You can always adapt a manga again(FMA: Brotherhood shows it works)

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,386 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Filler can be a good thing, if it is done right.

Post by MisterX (917 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@sickVisionz said:

I prefer the concept of filler to the US alternative where shows just disappear for a few months/weeks in the middle of a season or they aren't airing for multiple seasons out of the year. If a filler stinks I can just stop watching it and it's as if it doesn't exist. If it's good, I'm happy that I got to watch a good episode from a series that I like.

It's an absolute disaster when you have both of those things in a show. Burn Notice is the first one that comes to mind for me. It will go on break for a few months AND have mill episodes that drag the story out.

I usually don't have too many problems with filler in anime, but when it really starts to drag on and become very cliché, I begin to lose patience.

Post by ShadowKnight508 (5,358 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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Depends on the series/franchise in question. Some filler arcs/episodes for several franchises that I know filler material exists in (BLEACH, Naruto, ONE PIECE, etc) turn out to be half decent additions to the overall story and development of the characters within the said franchise. However, there are some filler arcs/episodes (looking at you, Naruto and that one New Captain-related Arc of BLEACH) that are just plain awful and do not make a worthy addition to the overall canon of the franchise or the series in general.

Post by sickVisionz (4,310 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@ShadowKnight508: There was some gold in the new captain Arc in Bleach. It ended in a nice fight and early on Ichigo got trapped in some illusion where they spent the bulk of the episode talking about the death of his mother and how that affected him, which they never talk about in canon.

Post by theninjabox (2 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@sickVisionz: to be honest. the only Bleach filler saga worth mentioning is the first half of the Zanpacto Arc. it was really well done and could have been amazing... but they streached it out! and added that sword fiend garbage.

Post by paladin (1,195 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dr_Ventum said:

It's either lots of filler or deviating from the source material.

Personally I actually prefer the later. You can always adapt a manga again(FMA: Brotherhood shows it works)

I actually really hate when the adaptation deviates from the original source. Especially since the alteration usually make the show worse than the orginal.

Chrome Shelled Regios is a "good" example. Savaris vs Layfon was supposed to be one of the most intense and awesome fight scenes in the entire novel. Yet they change the plot entirely and made the entire fight anticlimatic and lame. Although that was far from the only alteration to the anime. They messed up the coherent and decent set-up of the novels, water down the characterizations and fill in the blank space with fanservice and harem hijinks.

Also, there's the fact that the thing with Fullmetal Alchemist was a very special case. Unless a story is REALLY popular you can be happy if it gets a single 1-2 cour anime series.

And when the anime adaptation ends up bad (= unpopular) due to the aforementioned alteration then it pretty much means that it won't be getting a second series.

FACT: People who are writing the storyboard for "fillers" generally can't live up to the original author who gave his entire soul for the series.

Post by sickVisionz (4,310 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@theninjabox: I completely disagree. You scratch out filler from Bleach and you lose both the only times Bleach can tell a cohesive story and the best animated fights in the entire series. Plus the one shot fillers are funny to me.

@paladin said:

FACT: People who are writing the storyboard for "fillers" generally can't live up to the original author who gave his entire soul for the series.

I disagree with this. Some of these mangaka are truly talented but most of them are kinda hacks who can draw well. These guys are like RL Stine quality writers. The idea that Goosebumps is the pinnacle of literary work and there is no writer who can possibly reach that bar of quality is as laughable to me as when people say that the people writing generic shonen are literary gods and nobody else could ever live up to them.

I also think you're confused about the difference between a storyboard artist and a writer.

Post by paladin (1,195 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@sickVisionz: "Exception reinforces the rule." 
The thing that  certain mangaka are downright poor when it comes to plot doesn't invalidate the fact that fillers tend to be even worse. Bleach is an exception since Kubo doesn't give a damn about coherence.  
I don't mind minor alterations but when the anime's plot getting twisted radically, it's just plain awful. Aside from a few rare exceptions the alterations to the original plot generally end up with degrading the story's overall quality. 

Another example could be Fate/Stay Night : Unlimited Blade Works 
Yeah, it was a good movie but the Berserker vs Gilgamesh fight for example lost all of its emotional impact. For God's sake, that was one of the big black giant's most memorable Crowning Moment of Awesome. Yet they watered it down to Gilgamesh curbstomping Heracles without the other having any chance to fight back. Perhaps that's one of the more forgivable examples since the movie had a relatively stic time slot to work with. Everyone knew that the movie won't manage to compress the entire plot of the VN into 90+ minutes. 
On the other hand there's no excuse for DEEN for ruining the final clash between Gilgamesh and Shirou inside UBW. It was so bad that the scene even birthed a 4chan meme.
Post by theninjabox (2 posts) See mini bio Level 5

@sickVisionz: Oh i definitely enjoy the one shots. i have no problem with them. my favorite mai have more of a problem with the sagas because it seems like the writers don't know how to end them. i admit, always enjoy the beginnings... but it always feels really drawn out and the ending is always kinda weak. i guess thats what i really dislike about them. it feels like they just kinda fall apart. but i still feel the zanpacto arc had the best writing and most interesting story. sorry if i sounded a bit blatant and cranky. i kinda made that comment at 3 in the morning after spending the day cleaning. not exactly what puts you in your best mood! XD

Post by Hibaru (74 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I personally don't mind Fillers. As long as it doesn't takes too long or something. Still, some Filler can be good though.

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