EUREKA SEVEN #50 -- Watch & Learn

Topic started by No_name_here on April 24, 2012. Last post by zaldar 2 years, 2 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Awwwwww…

You know, despite the warnings you lunatics have given about how this ending would be too saccharine or confusing or irresolute, it honestly plays out rather fittingly. As fitting as I’ve seen for any mega mecha series, at the least. If any questions or sub-plots have been left dangling, I really can’t recall them enough to spoil my feelings at this particular juncture.

A lot of the fallout with the scubs has been left to implication, sure, but that’s not any different from how this show has handled plot threads since the beginning. Much like FMA: BROTHERHOOD, this show benefits from Bones being in a position to plan it all the way and maintain a consistent tone throughout it. This isn’t a “Gekko ending,” there were never any points where the animation quality declined due to budget mismanagement, etc. It’s even got a leg-up on BROTHERHOOD’s conclusion for overcoming its cooties phobia by curtain call.

Here’s a simple ending to show which, somehow, despite all the deep details about scubs, Coralians and assorted “acperiences,” kept things fairly simply in handling its mythology. It certainly isn't the CARE BEARS ending I was told to be leery of.

My only objection here floats over Renton’s character growth. Yes, we do see him come to master his feelings about Eureka and become forthright about protecting that which matters to him the most. That’s represented quite neatly by Nirvash getting its Tiger Zord upgrade and the subsequent furious barrage Renton unleashes on the anti-bodies with it. He’s become his own man, certainly… so why is he still taking Holland’s shit?

I never really objected to Shinji being the despondent wimp that so many EVA viewers had a problem with. It would get really boring if every fantasy action-adventure lead was an assertive and aggressive tough guy. Still, when a show makes a point about its 50 episode arc turning a timid boy into a confident young man, it seems like a stutter-step before the finish line for him to still be afraid of his mentor at such a crucial moment. Holland could’ve certainly still given Renton the idea for how to save Eureka, but Renton really shouldn’t have taken that advice while slouching below him.

That's a small quibble, though. Certainly not enough to ruin this feel-good wave from the "Second Summer of Love" and this beautiful finale.

Watch this episode, "Wish Upon A Star” here and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.

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Post by Supreme Marvel (5,046 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I really enjoyed the 'Rainbow' song they played when Renton was in Nirvash's upgrade mode.

Post by LordTerminal (66 posts) See mini bio Level 6

He wasn't taking Holland's shit. Renton was having an emo moment due to what happened to Eureka and Holland was getting him to come to his senses and not give up hope.

But other than that, surprised you actually felt the same way about the ending that I do. Especially considering the Manga's ending was the complete opposite of this.

Post by earthwormjim (14 posts) See mini bio Level 5

Well see almost all of your predictions were correct.

Yeah this ending really does make you feel good, and a lot of plot threads that we think weren't solved either were in the background, or needed to go play the game (even though they're horrible).

Also your Real World reference worked out in the end didn't they? Since the cast was basically being observed by the Coralians similar to how the Real World cast was by its audience.

P.S. Even though you hear people talk about the manga you can just go ahead and ignore it. In this case the anime was made first, and the manga is an adaptation of the anime, the main continuity is the anime. Think Full Metal Alchemist 2003 anime and the original Full Metal Alchemist manga but in reverse. So for all intents and purposes the manga isn't ever going to be referenced in the Eureka 7 continuity, EVER.

Post by zeroduality (19 posts) See mini bio Level 3

I honestly don't get all the hate towards the ending of the show or the manga. Personally I thought the endings really complimented each other.

The show really ended on such a high note that I never understood the reason for the movie or the sequel, but of course that doesn't stop me from enjoying either of them.

Post by animebookworm7 (27 posts) See mini bio Level 16

unlike most endings to mecha animes this one has love

it's not all that uncommen either we had a wedding in Gurren Lagann and some of the mobile suit gundam series had a couple of love scenes at the end

, but putting that aside this episode is one of my favorites of all time

Post by zaldar (1,221 posts) See mini bio Level 15

SERIOUSLY? This ending is the most ridiculous hippie troupe ever devised. I mean seriously THEY BURN A HEART INTO THE MOON! We take a show with multiple interesting and thought provoking ideas and trash it by giving it a "all you need is love, love is all you need" ending. Sorry but the world is not anywhere near that simple and never will be. I don't buy the argument that the white flashes with words in eva were due to budget constraints (it was a stylistic choice to show how much of the final episode was taking place in Shinji's head) and the plot threads that were left hanging there were very much on the why should we care side. This ending took 40 or so episodes of good build up and then trashed it with an oversimplified, over romanticized, naive, outlook. The comparison to the California surfer culture your friend at a con made is apt as it fully embraces the lazy, ridiculous naive surfer outlook. Disappointing that you fell for this naive bullshit.

Post by Supreme Marvel (5,046 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Someone got a lump of coal for Christmas.

Post by eldiax (130 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@zaldar: The entirety of the show is about developing Renton and Eureka's relationship. I find it hard to believe that you didn't see this kind of ending coming.

Post by LordTerminal (66 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@zaldar:

Cry some more why don't you. Did you not even freaking notice that this whole show was a romance? Also I love how you focus on the heart carving on the moon and nothing else.

Post by zeroduality (19 posts) See mini bio Level 3

: You are completely oversimplifying the ending, honestly just say that you didn't understand it rather than spewing your bull.

Post by earthwormjim (14 posts) See mini bio Level 5

Honestly, did you even pay attention to the story at all, because from all of your comments makes it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. This series pretty much spelled out how it was going to end a long time ago. Just because you can't stand to pay attention or get it through your thick skull the main themes of a show, doesn't mean that other people have to follow suit.

Post by zaldar (1,221 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@earthwormjim: sigh. Romance can be a part of a show and yes the whole point of this show was about the humans and their relationship with the scrubs but no this shouldn't have become completely a romance anime. I enjoy good completely romance anime's, and yes with the focus on surfing I suspected as I watched this move toward the ending that it would end with some silly west coast crazy philosophy ending. That doesn't mean I have to like it or agree it was the best way the show could have ended. They took a show with a rather complicated mythology and characters and massively and unrealistically oversimplified the ending. I'm sorry but love doesn't fix all world problems. If you think I am oversimplifying the ending than explain how? It has been years since I watched it but this is my memory of what I thought afterward (and nothing I have read since has changed that opinion. If you want a series of books that deal with similar themes but in a much more satisfying way check out the Ender's Game series (and don't stop with just the first book). This series had a wonderful setup that the ending wasted. Yes I focused on the heart drawn on the moon because it was emblematic of the stupidity of the ending and the extreme focus it put on love solving all problems. I understand the main themes of the show I just happen to think they are ridiculous (as I have stated and hinted before where no one talked about it). Do tell me if the main themes are different than what I have stated.

Post by Jnas (19 posts) See mini bio Level 5

I loved the ending. If you didn't like it, you're dead inside.

Post by earthwormjim (14 posts) See mini bio Level 5

Your reply makes it even more obvious that you didn't understand the show, they have established multiple times in the show that Eureka and Renton's relationship is the CENTRAL theme of the show, and that their relationship was a test to see whether or not humans and Scab corals could co-exist (which again was stated multiple times).

The show was also built up as a coming of age tale for Renton aka OUR MAIN CHARACTER who couldn't care less about the human scab conflict, and at the end of the day the show was about him growing up, and his relationship with Eureka, not about political intrigue, not about Holland, not about Dewey, not about human scab coral relations, etc. Those things were in the background, a part of world building, but are not and never were the main story or theme itself.

Also if you paid attention to the ending you would have found out that the Scab Coral are either going to leave that Earth or go to sleep, because even though they realized that humans and Scab Corals were capable of getting along, Dewey messed it up for them (by the way this was stated twice by both Nirvash and the old guy). Also it wasn't just Eureka and Renton being watched but all of Gekkostate as well. The humans of that world have no choice they have to eventually get along with the Scab Coral (another established point) if not now then in the future, trying to fight against the corals is a bad idea, since they are a part of the planet. The humans learned this, though had previously were told differently by Dewey, this is one of the reasons why the military went against him, because they realized that Dewey knew the truth and yet had them fight against the Corals anyway. So after finding out the truth, which they already had a feeling of, they now know not to fight against the Corals. So there was no oversimplification of anything.

So again I'll say that you didn't understand or didn't pay attention to the show at all, especially since the stuff you're complaining about was either resolved in a previous episode or outright explained.

Post by zaldar (1,221 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Well I will say then that my issues were likely to be with what was the main aspect of the show and how that main aspect led them to the themes they made. All of your points are correct (though I don't think the humans have to get along with the srub coral I still think they could be destroyed or forced to stay asleep), but it is those points being the central part of the show that annoys me. The political intrigue, the philosophy were by far the more interesting parts of the show. I much prefer a show like Hanibai Renmei, Ghost in the Shell, or Eva that has great characters, great world building, and great philosophy and an ending that doesn't short-change any of them. They had great ideas here that they didn't follow up on effectively to my mind. Certainly you are welcome to have your own opinion. The "all you need is love" philosophy that this show promulgates is one I don't agree with and frankly find dangerous, but then I've never been much of a hippie.

Post by Turambar (233 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@zaldar said:

Well I will say then that my issues were likely to be with what was the main aspect of the show and how that main aspect led them to the themes they made. All of your points are correct (though I don't think the humans have to get along with the srub coral I still think they could be destroyed or forced to stay asleep), but it is those points being the central part of the show that annoys me. The political intrigue, the philosophy were by far the more interesting parts of the show. I much prefer a show like Hanibai Renmei, Ghost in the Shell, or Eva that has great characters, great world building, and great philosophy and an ending that doesn't short-change any of them. They had great ideas here that they didn't follow up on effectively to my mind. Certainly you are welcome to have your own opinion. The "all you need is love" philosophy that this show promulgates is one I don't agree with and frankly find dangerous, but then I've never been much of a hippie.

Actually, I would say, and many would agree, that GITS very much short changed the relationship between its characters for the sake of the philosophy and EVA short changed its philosophy and political intrigue for the sake of its character (and lack of budget.)
Post by zaldar (1,221 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Turambar: And I would disagree with both of those groups, as I find both of those series very superior to this one. I actually even like the GITS movies more than the series.

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