What we know about goku

Topic started by shonen on June 18, 2012. Last post by DBZ_universe 1 year, 2 months ago.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,230 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

You do know that goku blast Freeza's entire body, not just his face. So yeah, this is very inconsistent

Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Destinyheroknight: Yes it is inconsistent, DBZ was suppose to end  with Frieza's defeat and Goku's death from the explosion on Namek. It is also very inconsistent with the rest of DBZ villains that follow. Cell was blown in half by a Kamehameha from Goku that was stated to destroy the Earth. Then there is Kid Buu who blew himself to bits when he was destroying planets look for Goku and Vegeta. Both villains are way more powerful than Frieza. 
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Destinyheroknight:

how is it inconsistent...a weaken freiza, with little to no energy since he uses the energy goku gave him, to attack got counter attacked. The attack hit his entire body, of course he would get damaged.

Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@shonen: Think about it the blast Goku hit Frieza with did not destroy Namek. So if Goku's blast did in fact damage Frieza, and the explosion of Namek didnt it is inconsistent.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,230 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

Only his face was damaged and also it wasn't a planet buster attack. (it was just a blast) So yeah, very inconsistent

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

you who feats ​​non-canon or canon?

Canon goku and vegeta destroy stars on space the in DBO:

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=699214

feat oficial.

"Before you guys own me for being a new member, Dragon Ball Online, a continuation of the DB manga, states that sometime after the events of the Buu saga Goku and Vegeta go off into space to fight. Long story short, they aren't seen for years after, when explosions rivaling that of supernovas are seen from earth. No hyperbole whatsoever. now you don't actually SEE them do it, but these blasts happened over 150 years before the new villain ever started making his move. Here's the link to this:"

http://cafe.daum.net/FoReVerDB/70rX/5635

Here's a translation:

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewt...14963&start=40

This also confirms that they are LightSpeed​​.
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Sonata said:

@shonen: Think about it the blast Goku hit Frieza with did not destroy Namek. So if Goku's blast did in fact damage Frieza, and the explosion of Namek didnt it is inconsistent.

not really sincee most of the blast would of been directed at hitting/damaging frieza, not destroying the planet since dbz characters have control of their ki. It would be foolish for goku to destroy the planet when he's trying to get off it before it explodes. This is something you guys don't seem to get if they never have control over ki all the attacks after freiza, they throw at each other would destroy the planet.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,230 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

If the blast was focus on Freeza, he would be more damaged then having half of his face off. Quit trying to make excuses for inconsistent and call them feats

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Destinyheroknight said:

@shonen:

If the blast was focus on Freeza, he would be more damaged then having half of his face off. Quit trying to make excuses for inconsistent and call them feats

Goku sent out a casual blast to put frieza to rest, first the blast goku sent out had to bypass frieza's energy attacks, then had to hit, freiza, its not to suprising, that it only did so much damage, when goku wasn't putting a lot of energy into destroying freiza outright. Are you trying to imply that because goku energy attack didn't blow up namek it is weaker than Vegeta's galic gun from saiyan saga ?

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,230 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

No, I not implying that. I saying it should have done more damage then just destroying half of his face. Also I just check the manga and there is no scene of Frieza in space, so we don't know how he look after the planet got destroy (so only the anime is inconsistent)

Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@shonen: The blast regardless should have done more damage regardless Frieza was half dead Goku was enraged that he was attacked once again by Frieza.
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Sonata said:

@shonen: The blast regardless should have done more damage regardless Frieza was half dead Goku was enraged that he was attacked once again by Frieza.

You obviously left out the part where goku shows a sign of remorse for having attacked frieza. Someone enraged/bloodlusted does not do that. Goku obviously wanted to incapacitate freiza, not kill him. Also we can't assume how much damage we think it should of done and say its inconsistent we just go by cannon facts.

Cannon- Goku's blast had to bypass freiza's blast before hitting him, thus it would of been mitigated a bit. Fact- Goku was trying to get off the planet before it exploded. Blowing up the planet in the process with the attack would of been a no no Fact - DBZ characters have control of their ki. That is why more powerful attacks than frieza's death ball ( kamehamemeha) don't blow up the planet when in contact with the ground. Fact- Goku was angry but did not consciously send out an energy attack to kill freiza, only incapacitate him. Hence the sign of remorse at the end when he did it.
Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@shonen: Fair enough since in their is no real solid evidence for either case since Frieza was never truly seen again till he was reconstructed. We will simply go by he survived the Namek explosion, however this opens a whole new can of worms later in the series when we see being with higher power levels be blown to bits ala Kid Buu.
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Sonata said:

@shonen: Fair enough since in their is no real solid evidence for either case since Frieza was never truly seen again till he was reconstructed. We will simply go by he survived the Namek explosion, however this opens a whole new can of worms later in the series when we see being with higher power levels be blown to bits ala Kid Buu.

Kid Buu body seems to me like that of a liquid metal robot dude from terminator, he can be displaced by attacks more easily than other fighters in db even those with lower power level than him such as when dabura who was weaker than fat buu was still able to pop a whole into his stomatch. But this is irrelevant since he can regenerate from said attacks almost instaneously, even if reduced to a vapour phase.

Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@shonen: But he was still vaporized by planet busting attack if was truly had the durability he would have been whole. Only regeneration was able to save him, and Cell for that matter was in the same spot being blown in half by Goku's Kamehameha that was stated to be  Planet busting. Cell and Buu only survived because of regen nothing more if they didn't have that they would have been in all purposes dead. Frieza didnt have regeneration, and was at a weaker power level than both Cell and Kid Buu. Which brings me to my point of Goku if he truly had multi-planet or even planetary striking abilities Kid Buu  would have been destroyed almost instantly with his fist. Kid Buu would have most likely regenerated, but still Goku would still be able to some damage to him. Even Vegito was pounding Buu so bad that he was have a tough time regenerating. SO that proves physical attacks can damage Buu's body. The same thing applies to Cell, but to a lesser degree.
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Sonata said:

@shonen: But he was still vaporized by planet busting attack if was truly had the durability he would have been whole. Only regeneration was able to save him, and Cell for that matter was in the same spot being blown in half by Goku's Kamehameha that was stated to be Planet busting. Cell and Buu only survived because of regen nothing more if they didn't have that they would have been in all purposes dead. Frieza didnt have regeneration, and was at a weaker power level than both Cell and Kid Buu. Which brings me to my point of Goku if he truly had multi-planet or even planetary striking abilities Kid Buu would have been destroyed almost instantly with his fist. Kid Buu would have most likely regenerated, but still Goku would still be able to some damage to him. Even Vegito was pounding Buu so bad that he was have a tough time regenerating. SO that proves physical attacks can damage Buu's body. The same thing applies to Cell, but to a lesser degree.

Did you not understand when i said buu's body is like a fluid, it can be distorted and blown apart by much weaker attacks that don't require planet busting. Dabura's spear, piccolo who is much weaker than him was able to vaporize him once blown into little chunks. We can't use cell being hit by goku's kamehameha as a way to vindicate that he' is not planet busting durability because goku used a concentrated attack at point blank range, while cell was off god and near the same power level as him. Cell even stated goku put most of his energy in that attack. There is a scan in manga also where gohan is hit by a planet busting attack by super buu (gotenks) absorbed and is just fine.As a whole though u are correct buu being blown up by planet is inconsistent but if you hadn't realize the buu saga was rushed and is full of inconsistent feats. Eg. Goten and trunks fighting each other and being seen by humans while fighting. Goku struggling with 40 tons. Piccolo being weaker than base vegeta by buu arc even though he's stronger than freiza.

Post by Sonata (35,313 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@shonen: That is not a good excuse for Buu, if that truly was the case then anybody with energy projection would destroy him with ease. You can hurt him with physical attacks Gohan did Vegito did SSJ3 did as it as well. Vegito with his fists was hurting Buu making his regen slow a bit, but he wasn't being blown to pieces because they weren't planetary level punches. His body being fluid doesn't matter because he can still be damaged by phyiscal attacks. You can hurt but you can't truly kill Buu that way unless you have the truly enough power in your fists. As Cell him being off guard not a good excuse either, He was hit by Vegeta's Final Flash that was also a Planet Busting  attack and he was ready for it He just moved out of the way.In other words he would have been damaged badly by Goku Kamehameha no matter if he was ready or not. If Goku truly had planetary busting power with his fist Cell's head would have flown clean off in one hit but that was not the case. Goku is a multi mountain smasher with smash with his fist He was damaging Frieza by kicking him into mountains as well. Frieza wasn't punched through the planet and unharmed at any time in the series.
Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Sonata said:

@shonen: That is not a good excuse for Buu, if that truly was the case then anybody with energy projection would destroy him with ease. You can hurt him with physical attacks Gohan did Vegito did SSJ3 did as it as well. Vegito with his fists was hurting Buu making his regen slow a bit, but he wasn't being blown to pieces because they weren't planetary level punches. His body being fluid doesn't matter because he can still be damaged by phyiscal attacks. You can hurt but you can't truly kill Buu that way unless you have the truly enough power in your fists. As Cell him being off guard not a good excuse either, He was hit by Vegeta's Final Flash that was also a Planet Busting attack and he was ready for it He just moved out of the way.In other words he would have been damaged badly by Goku Kamehameha no matter if he was ready or not. If Goku truly had planetary busting power with his fist Cell's head would have flown clean off in one hit but that was not the case. Goku is a multi mountain smasher with smash with his fist He was damaging Frieza by kicking him into mountains as well. Frieza wasn't punched through the planet and unharmed at any time in the series.

Dude thoe attacks hit by buu, and cell were above planet level busting or are we to believe that vegeta's final flash in the cell saga is equal to Saiyan saga vegeta's galic gun. Also did you not take into consideration the other inconsistencies in the buu arc, which i pointed out and you've yet to address, or the fact gohan tanked a planet buster from super buu gotenks absorb without any trouble. We know for a fact freiza wasn't damage by the planet exploding because if you look at his next appearance all areas where he lost limbs from destructo disc were replaced by mechanical parts, yet all his organic parts were fine. It seems you go by bigger explosion and destruction equal more powerful. There is a scienntific concept called intensity, which is power per unit area, if you focus a blast on a smaller area you can destroy stronger objects duhhh. Your overanalyzing the series to much, we know the following facts Freiza tanked a planet exploding thus making him planet level durablitiy+. Frieza was killed by trunks sword thus putting trunks strike at planet level +++ Android 18 was attacked by trunks and his sword broke on contact.Android 18 durability is greater than freiza's. Not that hard to figure out that the attacks hit by cell and buu were above planet level since the fighters were more powerful.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,661 posts) See mini bio Level 17

We know that he loves to eat!

Post by Zandrock (8 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@GrayWolf2: i noticed how no one answered your speed section (either that or i didn't read the rest of the thread carefully) and I'm sure I'm correct on what move your talking about. When Freiza launched him and hoped that he would blow up, as soon as the move started to explode. Goku traveled at light speed to escape completely unharmed. This is stated by Piccolo, but i will admit i haven't seen this in awhile so i may not be 100% correct, but i sure i am.

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