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@SpeedForceSpider: When do you think that they reach relavistic speeds? Me personally, i think DBZ people are FTL after Goku SSJ vs Frieza.

When Yamcha fought against the Saibamen they where moving so damn fast that Kid Gohan could not seem them, only when Piccolo told him to look for there energy was he able to see them. Kid Gohan who have normal eyes like you and me could not follow them. In DB, Roshi/Goku/Tien/Krillin where fighting so fast that the crowd could not seem them and i remember seeing a scan on Spacebattles/Comicvine of the Announcer trying to make sense of what just happend and either Krillin or somebody else explained what Goku and Roshi did in theire fight all in just a couple of seconds... thats incredible speed right there, moving so fast that the human eye can't see.

Moving on to the Namek Saga; it has been proven that if you increase your PL you also increase your speed an your reaction to it. Frieza shot of his Death Beam and neither of the group could see the attack, Vegeta then recovers from an injury and sudenly he was able to rescue Gohan from a Death Beam attack. Goku was fast enough to deflect multiple Death Beams from close range like it was nothing, Frieza increased his PL and Goku wasn't able to dodge them let alone deflect them. Goku turn SSJ and is able to dodge the Death beams again. Burter was so damn fast that when Vegeta trew a DB he was able to fly past them, catch it, return back before Krillin and Gohan even turn there heads. jaice and Burter shot energy attack at Goku and Goku was moving SO FAST that it seemed that he was standing still, all this and more was displayed before the climatic battle between Goku SSJ and Frieza who SHIT! on all their PL's like Burter and Jeice.

Imagine going further to the Androids or Cell or better yet lets go to Goku SSJ3/Gotenks SSJ3/Mystic Gohan or...you know what lets go to Mystic Buu/Vegito/Gogeta.

If Vegeta was able to destroy the planet of earth with a level of 18,000 then your stats need work.

180,000,000 power level would be required for the sun if base Saiyan Saga Vegeta's was the minimum since 18,000 times 10,000 is 180,000,000, and if 10,000 earth's could really fit into a hollow sun.

So let's say that during the Cell saga Goku at base becomes stronger than Frieza. That would mean that his base is at the least at his Super Saiyan level during the Frieza saga or at least over Max Power Frieza.

So that would mean 150,000,000 times 50 is 7,500,000,000 when in his Super Saiyan form (150,000,000 for a simple guess). That would mean that Goku, if going by the Vegeta being a minor planet buster during the Saiyan Saga theory, can destroy at least 40 suns.

if we keep him at base level having a level of 150,000,000 just for the sake of simplicity then with SS2 he has a level of 15,000,000,000 and for SS3 60,000,000,000.

Now for him having a power increase to his base level I would say during the Buu saga his base would at least be at his Super Saiyan level at the time of the Cell games. Mostly because I see him as someone who would use his current levels as measuring tools like making his base as strong as his previous Super Saiyan.

So if his base at the time of the Buu saga is 7,500,000,000 then times that by 50 to get 375,000,000,000. That means he can at least destroy 2083 suns. SS2 is x100 so 750,000,000,000 which is like 4000 suns. SS3 is a x400 power boost so 3,000,000,000,000 which would be at the least like 16000 suns. Remind you that these are based on my own calculations. So it could be higher.

@DBZ_universe said:

Broly is the king of destruction in DB

but now we have a god

i think Bills is gonna amp the canon version of dbz

I've been lurking around some battle forums regarding DBZ and there are alot of people who say that Akira in a intervieuw said that Cell was a Solar System Buster? Does anyone know if this is true? people left and right are saying thats its confirmed in the Manga but there are so many messed up translations.

EDIT: Maybe this is stupid but, if you blow up a star doesn't it mean that you are a solar sytem buster because when the star goes out it takes the surrounding planets out.

Planet-busting at most, maybe multi-planet busting for high tiers and that's being generous.

Taking Cell's word in saying he's a solar system buster when it's not even shown is as gullible as thinking any character statement, despite clear feats and facts to the contrary, must be believed.

Canonically, the top tiers are pushed to star level at best.

the new god is able to ko goku with one hit.

i think the new god will be able to destroy much more then planets.

Given what I've heard about about the new movie plus what I read about dragonball online it seems that Toriyama wants them to at least be around supernova levels now.