Is Ki Magic?

Topic started by Mortein on Jan. 19, 2010. Last post by mypasswordis1234 1 year, 7 months ago.
Post by rpgr (45 posts) See mini bio Level 3

@Newdeath: Which is why you have Goku losing to Superman. IIRC: Most role-playing games and AD&D rules have Ki as magic (see Everquest, NeverWinter nights, etc.).

Historically, Ki is magic, they even have a branch called "Ki Magic".

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@rpgr: The thing is that magic enables the user to do much more than ki. Magic users are capable of creating objects out of thin air, altering the properties of certain objects and even energy. Hell, even Supreme Kai used "magic" and not ki to create Katchin.

ND

Post by rpgr (45 posts) See mini bio Level 3

@Newdeath: And creating energy out of nothing is not creating something?

As I said before, western magic = creation of matter or summoning of spirits

Eastern magic = creation of energy or redirection of matter and energy. Taoist magic for instance which uses Ki

Sources with top tier geek creds have deemed ki energy as magic.

Just as necromancy and pyromancy are different schools, ki is just that, a different school.

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@rpgr: Creating energy out of nothing is energy projection, an ability in its own right, not affiliated with magic. Magic is the use of supernatural methods to manipulate natural forces and create various effects. Simply projecting energy is something else entirely. Anyway, this topic deals with ki from DBZ which clearly isn't magic since they've been differentiated in the manga itself.

ND

Post by gravitypress (18 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Ki or chi is fighting spirit. It is the outward manifestation of life force. For example:

Street fighter Fireballs and other specials

One piece Haki

Dragonball Power Rating

Naruto chakra

This power can be used with others like magic like the Kai(s).

Post by eddz99 (2,578 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Mortein: Something that humans cannot do is magic.

Something humans cannot imagine is a miracle.

Post by MarioRedfield (1,877 posts) See mini bio Level 12

No, no, and more no.

Post by GrayWolf2 (347 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Dragonball ki is not magic. Otherwise why the hell would they act like Babidi, Dabura, and Buu were so special?
Post by eddz99 (2,578 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@GrayWolf2: And why is there beach under bikini bottom?

Post by Sonata (35,519 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Ki is not magic , but life energy. However Goku's Power Pole is magic.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,743 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@Sonata said:

Ki is not magic , but life energy. However Goku's Power Pole is magic.

And his Dragon Balls are magic too XD

Post by Sonata (35,519 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@DBZ_universe said:

@Sonata said:

Ki is not magic , but life energy. However Goku's Power Pole is magic.

And his Dragon Balls are magic too XD

LOL right.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,743 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@Sonata said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@Sonata said:

Ki is not magic , but life energy. However Goku's Power Pole is magic.

And his Dragon Balls are magic too XD

LOL right.
Post by Sonata (35,519 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@DBZ_universe: LMAO!! yet another reason I love the original DB.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,743 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@Sonata: LOL! his great future was Gohan!

Post by Sonata (35,519 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@DBZ_universe: Sure was XD
Post by LelouchCommandsYou (77 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I consider Ki the energy used for magic so Ki is magic in it's rawest form. Why? Because Ki is the only energy stated to exist in the series as far as I remember so I assume without Ki magic is not happening.

Post by LelouchCommandsYou (77 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@GrayWolf2:

Each character has a specific Ki signature. So it might be that Buu's Ki naturally offers regeneration. And I assume that Ki is used for everything even magic. Otherwise they wouldn't put Babidi in a game and have his magic use up Ki. The same for Buu and his special candy beam.

Post by MarioRedfield (1,877 posts) See mini bio Level 12

If ki was magic then almost everyone in the DB universe would be a magic user. There's really nothing about ki that makes it magical

Post by Sonata (35,519 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@LelouchCommandsYou: No magic as been stated before with the use of the Dragonballs. Buu is a special case because he possess Ki and Magic. The magic is the uses of the candy beam and his ability to alter the outcome of the Martial Tournament drawing as Goku wished. If Ki was the same as magic Goku could have easily done what Buu did, and changed the tournament pairings easily. It is also proven that Buu possesses Ki because it was seen during the fight with Kid Buu that he can become exhausted and weaker when fighting a much more powerful enemy like everyone else in DBZ.
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