How strong an SSJG type of ki, or how strong SSJG Goku is?

Topic started by mypasswordis1234 on Nov. 28, 2013. Last post by MisterShin 5 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Speed, strength.

What's the difference between godly ki and regular ki? Aside from that the godly is stronger. Any official info? Like the regular ki is composed from tree things. What the god-ki is made from?

How much stronger do you think Goku is, in his SSJG form? Compared to his normal form, like the SSJ form is 50x stronger, how many times stronger the SSJG?

I didn't find any detailed info.

Post by LelouchCommandsYou (77 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I don't think God ki is supposed to have anything special to it. It's just Bills ki was naturally born strong. And it has no end in terms of potential. And I think for those who possess it and train then they get stronger quicker than other's without it.

Goku's transformation pretty much gives him this while giving him a massive boost in power enough to ALMOST rival Bills.

I'd say though that to say he is a million times stronger than his SS3 form... Might be true. Or it might be an understatement. So SSG is quite ridiculously powerful.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@LelouchCommandsYou: "And it has no end in terms of potential. And I think for those who possess it and train then they get stronger quicker than other's without it." It makes sense. Though I think the million times stronger than SSJ3 is an overestimation. Unless it is like in Bleach, when even an ascended Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's reiatsu.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Well, I got an idea about the god-ki after I read about superpowers. Ki controlling is basically a master level telekinesis. I never thought this way, it explain a lot of things, lol. The godly ki must be some higher level way(talent) to use telekinesis(magic power included), like KO-ing with his fingernail, that was new trick, and the galaxy busting thing too. So it isn't related to speed and power, that probably comes from their fighting experience/training. That's why Goku wasn't realized it when he changed back.

But of course it is just my pure speculation from the movie, I never read an official explanation.

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

skyfather level:

destructive capacity:

Mystery 5: Frankly… “Birusu” is Strong?!

We’ll be blunt about this at least: “Birusu” is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z!!!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/12/21/additional-battle-of-gods-information-in-february-v-jump/

"For this time, Goku’s opponent, designed by Toriyama-sensei, was even a God of Destruction.

In the world of Dragon Ball Z, that’s a setting where even Broli, before the God of Destruction, would face a gap like that between a Yokozuna and the very bottom of the sumo ranks. That Broli, reduced to a pushover."
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/takao-koyama-battle-of-gods-blog-post/

vegito ssj1 is 50x stronger than a ssj4 goku:

chouzenshuu:

The universe is a dark and wide space which expands limitlessly, and it contains all celestial bodies that exist in this world. In the universe, innumerable number of stars are gathered where nebula is formed, and this innumerable number of nebula are gathered where galaxy is formed. As unit of administration to control galaxy that exists in the universe as many as indefinitely, it is classified into 4 areas by east, west, south and north, which are called galaxy in north(area of north) and galaxy of south(area of south). Between any galaxes (areas), they can move freely if they have technology power. It is controled by God of the area who lives in that world, and whole universe is closed by wall where mysterious pattern is inscribed. This universe has been balanced in whole by repeating creation made by God of the area and destruction made by God of destruction. In the universe, strong current called tidal current of universe has occurred at some places, and it is very dangerous if space ship is swallowed by the current.T

king kai says hatchiyack will destroy the northern galaxy, Goku even says hatchiyack overcoming the powers of broly.

dragon ball : the legend of manga:

http://www.abload.de/img/page_66wr6h.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/02xhogh.jpg
to prevent buu, a monster with the power to destroy the universe, back to life, Kaioshin and group of Goku enter in the hideout of babidi.

manga.

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Goku: Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go poof...

daizenshuu 10:

covering Vegetto’s battle with Majin Buu; the fight to rescue the others inside Buu’s body; the battle in the Kaioshin Realm with the original, pure-evil Buu; the formation of a last-ditch Genki-Dama with energy from the entire universe; Buu&s final destruction with the help of the Dragon Balls power; and the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, where Goku sets his sights on Uub to train as his disciple.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/daizenshuu/daiz-10/

ps: Genkidama also magpie energy of stars.

zemoco:

Ya proved it. Elder Kai said " Datara zen uuchuu mou oshimai jya
I translate that as Then everything/absolutely in the universe ( Space) will end. Nothing about " in time”

website toei:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149927/3512633-0106590616-brolygalaxybuster9es6s.png+

A spacecraft lands before Gohan and others who are viewing the cherry blossoms in a Metropolitan park. A sayian Paragus who had got off the spacecraft asks Vegeta to become the King of new planet Vegeta, and to defeat the legendary Supersayian who has been destroying the southern galaxy.
Trunks,Gohan,Krillen,the turtle hermit and oolong also go on the spacecraft following Vegeta who had accepted. They go to the new planet.

Speed:

herms
Chouzenshuu 4: Using his staff, it takes Whis about 26 minutes to get from Beers' palace to Kaio's, and 3 minutes from Kaio's to Earth.
https://twitter.com/herms98
Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@valfranx: That was a well made, profound answer, and I agree the SSJ God is on skyfather level, even if in DBZ there isn't such high level reality warping power as in Marvel.

However, for the sake of battle forums, I like to go with the most canon sources, which is the manga(and their databooks).

The GT is a complete different timeline, so it's statements and databook informations which are related with DBZ or other non-canon sources, are cannot be accept without doubts. I have just read an interview yesterday, Goku at the end of the Z were more powerful than at the start of the GT, because he absorbed the power of God,

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.

An another case, there is a prequel for db, dbz, made by Akira. "Jaco the Galactic Patrolman"

Since the main characters admit that they would be no match for the saiyajins, their feats could be used for dbz, if there any good feat.

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@mypasswordis1234: another confirmation that bills is a galaxy buster . ready are now two official sources saying that the bills have power and chouzenshuu that says bills destroys galaxies, repeated times....

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/03/03/battle-of-gods-sd-in-april-2013-saikyo-jump/
The 12-page “Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods Special Manga Version” is drawn by series regular Naho Ooishi based on the original work by, and with the supervision of, Akira Toriyama.
Back on Earth, everyone is gathered at Capsule Corporation for Bulma’s birthday party. Kuririn asks how old she is, but she retorts with a “Shut up!” while Vegeta mutters that it is the “same lousy thing” every single year. She eventually answers, “in SD, I’m always a youthful 16!!!” — Kuririn protests that, if that were the case, he would only be 13! Kaiō telepathically contacts Vegeta to explain the situation, and notes that whatever he does, he must not anger Birusu, lest he destroy not only the Earth, but the entire galaxy.

currently canon material exceeds the non-canon material. as you can see the own creator of broly said that bills can beat broly, effortless. the creators of dbgt, said vegito base form can be stronger than ssj4 goku. bills and is confirmed to be the strongest of the story of z by the creators of the film. is both Kaioshin had the Potara earrings, goku and piccolo excludes the use of fusion because it is no longer a question of power scaling, ie increase their ki to infinity is no use. piccolo mentioned that even goku training 1 million years, could not defeat bills. only other god can fight a god.guess you did not see the interview where akira did the marriage with anime and manga. where he said that dragon ball BOG would be a sequel to the manga and anime.so it makes no difference whether you use anime and manga, it made ​​a point of making bills the most powerful in the manga and anime at the same time. this also includes dbgt, even dbgt is not canon,have made bills a being stronger guy that vegito, which second the creators of dbgt, vegito in buu saga, turning into ssj1, its power exceeds that of goku ssj4 in 50x . this is insane, imagine if it turns into ssj3(400x stronger than a ssj4.), same ssj4 gogeta is only:

Herms wrote:I don't know about regular Yi Xing Long ("Syn Shenron"?), but Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenlong) says in GT that he's over ten times as strong as his regular form, and even his regular form seemed stronger than Goku. I think that might be part of where they get Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta being "several tens of times" stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku from. Regular Yi Xing Long is stronger than SSj4 Goku, Super Yi Xing Long is over ten times stronger than that, and SSj4 Gogeta is a whole lot stronger than even him. Put that together and you get SSj4 Gogeta being a whole lot stronger than ten times as strong as SSj4 Goku.

according to a guide dbgt pefect files 2:

fusion dance: goku ssj4+vegeta ssj4=addition

http://dragonballarena.gamesurf.it/immagini/psg/dbgtfiles/dbgt-file2-38.jpg

Super Exciting Guide: Story

potara: goku x vegeta=multiplication

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/

Look we're not talking about a hypothetical vegito in bog, if they use Potara in bog, its powers could surpass those of the vegito, in buu saga, that outperforms the powers of goku ssj4. if interested, I'll show you a quote from a guide manga (only manga) saying that vegito could defeat buu even in form base. if you read the manga again, own old Kaioshin said fusion potara is so powerful that not is necessary transform into ssj.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@valfranx: It all makes sense what you said. I find it interesting that even an infinite ki couldn't/shouldn't beat a God. What the regular ki lack of? If not speed, power, durability, then what abilities the godly ki give to them?

I get Bills is good at what he is(god of destruction), but it's obvious that Bills not necessary destroy a galaxy when he normally fight at full power. So what could he do with his godly powers, apart from destroy?

"I'll show you a quote from a guide manga (only manga) saying that vegito could defeat buu even in form base." Would you show it? Since I have known the base Vegito vs Buuhan fight was a filler, I thought only the SSJ Vegito was stronger than Buu.

Post by MisterShin (2,122 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@mypasswordis1234 said:

Speed, strength.

What's the difference between godly ki and regular ki? Aside from that the godly is stronger. Any official info? Like the regular ki is composed from tree things. What the god-ki is made from?

How much stronger do you think Goku is, in his SSJG form? Compared to his normal form, like the SSJ form is 50x stronger, how many times stronger the SSJG?

I didn't find any detailed info.

SSJG has more than enough power to solar system bust, and is also FTL speed.

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