How strong an SSJG type of ki, or how strong SSJG Goku is?

Topic started by mypasswordis1234 on Nov. 28, 2013. Last post by gokugx 2 weeks, 3 days ago.
Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Speed, strength.

What's the difference between godly ki and regular ki? Aside from that the godly is stronger. Any official info? Like the regular ki is composed from tree things. What the god-ki is made from?

How much stronger do you think Goku is, in his SSJG form? Compared to his normal form, like the SSJ form is 50x stronger, how many times stronger the SSJG?

I didn't find any detailed info.

Post by LelouchCommandsYou (77 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I don't think God ki is supposed to have anything special to it. It's just Bills ki was naturally born strong. And it has no end in terms of potential. And I think for those who possess it and train then they get stronger quicker than other's without it.

Goku's transformation pretty much gives him this while giving him a massive boost in power enough to ALMOST rival Bills.

I'd say though that to say he is a million times stronger than his SS3 form... Might be true. Or it might be an understatement. So SSG is quite ridiculously powerful.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@LelouchCommandsYou: "And it has no end in terms of potential. And I think for those who possess it and train then they get stronger quicker than other's without it." It makes sense. Though I think the million times stronger than SSJ3 is an overestimation. Unless it is like in Bleach, when even an ascended Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's reiatsu.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 8

Well, I got an idea about the god-ki after I read about superpowers. Ki controlling is basically a master level telekinesis. I never thought this way, it explain a lot of things, lol. The godly ki must be some higher level way(talent) to use telekinesis(magic power included), like KO-ing with his fingernail, that was new trick, and the galaxy busting thing too. So it isn't related to speed and power, that probably comes from their fighting experience/training. That's why Goku wasn't realized it when he changed back.

But of course it is just my pure speculation from the movie, I never read an official explanation.

Post by valfranx (202 posts) See mini bio Level 10

skyfather level:

destructive capacity:

Mystery 5: Frankly… “Birusu” is Strong?!

We’ll be blunt about this at least: “Birusu” is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z!!!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/12/21/additional-battle-of-gods-information-in-february-v-jump/

"For this time, Goku’s opponent, designed by Toriyama-sensei, was even a God of Destruction.

In the world of Dragon Ball Z, that’s a setting where even Broli, before the God of Destruction, would face a gap like that between a Yokozuna and the very bottom of the sumo ranks. That Broli, reduced to a pushover."
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/takao-koyama-battle-of-gods-blog-post/

vegito ssj1 is 50x stronger than a ssj4 goku:

chouzenshuu:

The universe is a dark and wide space which expands limitlessly, and it contains all celestial bodies that exist in this world. In the universe, innumerable number of stars are gathered where nebula is formed, and this innumerable number of nebula are gathered where galaxy is formed. As unit of administration to control galaxy that exists in the universe as many as indefinitely, it is classified into 4 areas by east, west, south and north, which are called galaxy in north(area of north) and galaxy of south(area of south). Between any galaxes (areas), they can move freely if they have technology power. It is controled by God of the area who lives in that world, and whole universe is closed by wall where mysterious pattern is inscribed. This universe has been balanced in whole by repeating creation made by God of the area and destruction made by God of destruction. In the universe, strong current called tidal current of universe has occurred at some places, and it is very dangerous if space ship is swallowed by the current.T

king kai says hatchiyack will destroy the northern galaxy, Goku even says hatchiyack overcoming the powers of broly.

dragon ball : the legend of manga:

http://www.abload.de/img/page_66wr6h.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/02xhogh.jpg
to prevent buu, a monster with the power to destroy the universe, back to life, Kaioshin and group of Goku enter in the hideout of babidi.

manga.

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Goku: Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go poof...

daizenshuu 10:

covering Vegetto’s battle with Majin Buu; the fight to rescue the others inside Buu’s body; the battle in the Kaioshin Realm with the original, pure-evil Buu; the formation of a last-ditch Genki-Dama with energy from the entire universe; Buu&s final destruction with the help of the Dragon Balls power; and the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, where Goku sets his sights on Uub to train as his disciple.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/daizenshuu/daiz-10/

ps: Genkidama also magpie energy of stars.

zemoco:

Ya proved it. Elder Kai said " Datara zen uuchuu mou oshimai jya
I translate that as Then everything/absolutely in the universe ( Space) will end. Nothing about " in time”

website toei:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149927/3512633-0106590616-brolygalaxybuster9es6s.png+

A spacecraft lands before Gohan and others who are viewing the cherry blossoms in a Metropolitan park. A sayian Paragus who had got off the spacecraft asks Vegeta to become the King of new planet Vegeta, and to defeat the legendary Supersayian who has been destroying the southern galaxy.
Trunks,Gohan,Krillen,the turtle hermit and oolong also go on the spacecraft following Vegeta who had accepted. They go to the new planet.

Speed:

herms
Chouzenshuu 4: Using his staff, it takes Whis about 26 minutes to get from Beers' palace to Kaio's, and 3 minutes from Kaio's to Earth.
https://twitter.com/herms98
Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@valfranx: That was a well made, profound answer, and I agree the SSJ God is on skyfather level, even if in DBZ there isn't such high level reality warping power as in Marvel.

However, for the sake of battle forums, I like to go with the most canon sources, which is the manga(and their databooks).

The GT is a complete different timeline, so it's statements and databook informations which are related with DBZ or other non-canon sources, are cannot be accept without doubts. I have just read an interview yesterday, Goku at the end of the Z were more powerful than at the start of the GT, because he absorbed the power of God,

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.

An another case, there is a prequel for db, dbz, made by Akira. "Jaco the Galactic Patrolman"

Since the main characters admit that they would be no match for the saiyajins, their feats could be used for dbz, if there any good feat.

Post by valfranx (202 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@mypasswordis1234: another confirmation that bills is a galaxy buster . ready are now two official sources saying that the bills have power and chouzenshuu that says bills destroys galaxies, repeated times....

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/03/03/battle-of-gods-sd-in-april-2013-saikyo-jump/
The 12-page “Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods Special Manga Version” is drawn by series regular Naho Ooishi based on the original work by, and with the supervision of, Akira Toriyama.
Back on Earth, everyone is gathered at Capsule Corporation for Bulma’s birthday party. Kuririn asks how old she is, but she retorts with a “Shut up!” while Vegeta mutters that it is the “same lousy thing” every single year. She eventually answers, “in SD, I’m always a youthful 16!!!” — Kuririn protests that, if that were the case, he would only be 13! Kaiō telepathically contacts Vegeta to explain the situation, and notes that whatever he does, he must not anger Birusu, lest he destroy not only the Earth, but the entire galaxy.

currently canon material exceeds the non-canon material. as you can see the own creator of broly said that bills can beat broly, effortless. the creators of dbgt, said vegito base form can be stronger than ssj4 goku. bills and is confirmed to be the strongest of the story of z by the creators of the film. is both Kaioshin had the Potara earrings, goku and piccolo excludes the use of fusion because it is no longer a question of power scaling, ie increase their ki to infinity is no use. piccolo mentioned that even goku training 1 million years, could not defeat bills. only other god can fight a god.guess you did not see the interview where akira did the marriage with anime and manga. where he said that dragon ball BOG would be a sequel to the manga and anime.so it makes no difference whether you use anime and manga, it made ​​a point of making bills the most powerful in the manga and anime at the same time. this also includes dbgt, even dbgt is not canon,have made bills a being stronger guy that vegito, which second the creators of dbgt, vegito in buu saga, turning into ssj1, its power exceeds that of goku ssj4 in 50x . this is insane, imagine if it turns into ssj3(400x stronger than a ssj4.), same ssj4 gogeta is only:

Herms wrote:I don't know about regular Yi Xing Long ("Syn Shenron"?), but Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenlong) says in GT that he's over ten times as strong as his regular form, and even his regular form seemed stronger than Goku. I think that might be part of where they get Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta being "several tens of times" stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku from. Regular Yi Xing Long is stronger than SSj4 Goku, Super Yi Xing Long is over ten times stronger than that, and SSj4 Gogeta is a whole lot stronger than even him. Put that together and you get SSj4 Gogeta being a whole lot stronger than ten times as strong as SSj4 Goku.

according to a guide dbgt pefect files 2:

fusion dance: goku ssj4+vegeta ssj4=addition

http://dragonballarena.gamesurf.it/immagini/psg/dbgtfiles/dbgt-file2-38.jpg

Super Exciting Guide: Story

potara: goku x vegeta=multiplication

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/

Look we're not talking about a hypothetical vegito in bog, if they use Potara in bog, its powers could surpass those of the vegito, in buu saga, that outperforms the powers of goku ssj4. if interested, I'll show you a quote from a guide manga (only manga) saying that vegito could defeat buu even in form base. if you read the manga again, own old Kaioshin said fusion potara is so powerful that not is necessary transform into ssj.

Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@valfranx: It all makes sense what you said. I find it interesting that even an infinite ki couldn't/shouldn't beat a God. What the regular ki lack of? If not speed, power, durability, then what abilities the godly ki give to them?

I get Bills is good at what he is(god of destruction), but it's obvious that Bills not necessary destroy a galaxy when he normally fight at full power. So what could he do with his godly powers, apart from destroy?

"I'll show you a quote from a guide manga (only manga) saying that vegito could defeat buu even in form base." Would you show it? Since I have known the base Vegito vs Buuhan fight was a filler, I thought only the SSJ Vegito was stronger than Buu.

Post by MisterShin (2,130 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@mypasswordis1234 said:

Speed, strength.

What's the difference between godly ki and regular ki? Aside from that the godly is stronger. Any official info? Like the regular ki is composed from tree things. What the god-ki is made from?

How much stronger do you think Goku is, in his SSJG form? Compared to his normal form, like the SSJ form is 50x stronger, how many times stronger the SSJG?

I didn't find any detailed info.

SSJG has more than enough power to solar system bust, and is also FTL speed.

Post by KurosakiDono (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

I think it even surpasses even Skyfather lvl, this is what Bills could do 75 000 000 years ago, now he is ridiculously/astronomically stronger:

As which is stronger Super Vegito or SSJ4 Goku? I think their equal, (if not Goku is stronger) since that statement of Vegito was made during the Baby Saga and was never said to be base Vegito, it just said Vegito. Anyway SSJ4 Goku is much more powerful in the last Saga when he fought Omega Shenron, he had a Zenkai boost after fighting super 17 and increase his power 10x after surpassing the limit of a SSJ4. It actually says that he is equal to Syn Shenron in GT perfect files. Funny thing before he surpassed his limits, his 10x kamehameha didn't even scratch Syn Shenron:

說不定比超級賽亞人4還要強!

"Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1140

Gogeta SSJ4's power was stated limitless and that he was the strongest warrior of all,

in GT perfect files:

"Un poder sin límite! La fusión y la prueba de su amistad!"

" A power without limits! The fusion and proof of their friendship"

"The transformation in Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta consumes a quantity of energy that only last 10 minutes!

The most powerful warrior of all!"

It was also stated he could end Omega Shenron with a finger if he wanted, the BBK that Omega survived was only PIS, so Goku would beat him with the Universal Spirit Bomb, which by the wasn't as powerful as Gogeta, is also stated that there is no equal to SSJ4 Gogeta. And said to be dozens of times the power of Goku SSJ4.

"A warrior with no equal, born from the fusion of Goku and Vegeta! He has red hair and a character a bit childish. He can defeat Omega Shenlong only with one finger. His strength is dozens of times more powerful than a normal Super Saiyan 4. He can shoot an extraordinary shot, which is a mix of the Big Bang attack and the Kamehameha wave!"

Source:

http://dragonballarena.gamesurf.it/immagini/psg/dbgtfiles/dbgt-file2-43.jpg

So Beerus>Gogega SSJ4>SSJ3 Vegito

It seems that God Ki as said by Goku are from another world/realm and said it was impossible to reach despite knowing he can always train after death. More interesting Omega had the power to destroy the Universe and after life which are infinite too: http://www.animevice.com/dragon-ball/10-1/dragon-ball-universe-galaxies-the-break-down/97-335176/

, yet he still isn't a God like Beerus. Another fun fact is that Omega said he was a God of destruction when he absorbed all Dragonballs. You can judge whether is true or not.

This Imply God ki are on infinites levels, this is beyond any skyfather I've seen. Probably Celestial level if you ask me.

Post by KurosakiDono (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

SSG Goku is only 40% weaker than Beerus according to Akira Toriyama

Post by EVA_01 (3,353 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@KurosakiDono: Hi, welcome to AnimeVice.

When accessing threads from google, please check the date on the last post. This a year-old thread, it should not have been necro bumped.

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Post by EvilMegaCookie (1,023 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Honestly? I have my doubts about that. Until we see Beerus actually do some galaxy-busting feats, it will remain as a hyperbole at best. The best feats DBZ has ever shown is planet-busting as far as I know. At most multiple-planet busting.

Post by KurosakiDono (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Well I wrote here, because there was new info about Beerus, one year ago that interview didn't exist . So I wanted all of you to know

Post by KurosakiDono (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

This is Author statement it cannot be Hyperbole, that's just ridiculous to say.

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@EVA_01 said:

@KurosakiDono: Hi, welcome to AnimeVice.

When accessing threads from google, please check the date on the last post. This a year-old thread, it should not have been necro bumped.

Enjoy your stay.

That general rule of thumb only applies to battle threads. Old threads of other forums can be bumped without any harm. In other communities like Giant Bomb, they will lock necroed threads from 2 years or more. For our community, we don't have that rule since this is a smaller community.

Post by EVA_01 (3,353 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@KurosakiDono: I'm sorry, but there was still no need to necro it. It's been a year, we all know how powerful Beerus is and nothing have about him changed ever since.

Old Resolved thread that no new information will be added to, so until then, could you please lock it?

Post by EVA_01 (3,353 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@takashichea: I should have been more specific, the topic of this thread has already been resolved. Now we know exactly how powerful the character in question is, that's it.

Post by KurosakiDono (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

New information has been added, the interview about Akira Toriyama is new, it didn't existed when this thread was created.

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@EVA_01:

Usually old DBZ feat threads get a lot of bumps from devoted fans than other franchises. We still have the new movie, Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F. I only lock feat threads if they are too heated like the Omnipotence And Understanding It, and then Dream reopen it and warning users not to get out of line.

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