Difference between Humans and Saiyans

Topic started by shonen on July 8, 2012. Last post by shonen 2 years, 3 months ago.
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Post by Destinyheroknight (10,333 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

This is the most laziness thread I have ever see, even the info is not very enlighten

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@shonen: You may want add some way to create a discussion out of this, instead of just posting pics. Its just spam other wise.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,736 posts) See mini bio Level 17

okay... and the point of this is.....??

what's next?? Difference between Namekkians and Yoshis??

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

okay... and the point of this is.....??

what's next?? Difference between Namekkians and Yoshis??

I thought it would be a good bookmark to have in debates, if somoeone ever brought up the point that saiyans are different from humans so we can't assume x can't happen to them.

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Saiyans are extremely different from Humans. Have you seen a fight episode of DB or DBZ? The difference becomes immediately apparent once combat begins.

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If would help if the information in that image was correct in the first place. Not all Saiyans have black hair, King Vegeta's is brown and Vegeta's is dark brown, though it often looked black in the anime. I'm assuming "yellow" is meant to refer to Asian skin colour, and even then that doesn't even sound right. Goku and Vegeta have very different skin, Goku looks white and Vegeta looks sort of tanned.

And "lengthy adolescence"? What? I can only assume that's referring to how Goku was quite short when he was young and then had a growth spurt, which as far as I know is all that was. He was still fully-grown at that same age a human is. Saiyans do stay at their prime for much longer, as Vegeta pointed out, but I don't think there's anything especially unusual about Saiyan adolescence.

Official or otherwise (I hope it's not official) the information on that image just seems bad.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,333 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@shonen:

I thought it would be a good bookmark to have in debates, if somoeone ever brought up the point that saiyans are different from humans so we can't assume x can't happen to them.

No, it not a very good bookmark, since half the info is wrong

Post by DBZ_universe (15,736 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@shonen said:

@DBZ_universe said:

okay... and the point of this is.....??

what's next?? Difference between Namekkians and Yoshis??

I thought it would be a good bookmark to have in debates, if somoeone ever brought up the point that saiyans are different from humans so we can't assume x can't happen to them.

I was just joking....

but I think you should added more details to it instead of just one image.... than it would be more interesting.

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

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If would help if the information in that image was correct in the first place. Not all Saiyans have black hair, King Vegeta's is brown and Vegeta's is dark brown, though it often looked black in the anime. I'm assuming "yellow" is meant to refer to Asian skin colour, and even then that doesn't even sound right. Goku and Vegeta have very different skin, Goku looks white and Vegeta looks sort of tanned.

And "lengthy adolescence"? What? I can only assume that's referring to how Goku was quite short when he was young and then had a growth spurt, which as far as I know is all that was. He was still fully-grown at that same age a human is. Saiyans do stay at their prime for much longer, as Vegeta pointed out, but I don't think there's anything especially unusual about Saiyan adolescence.

Official or otherwise (I hope it's not official) the information on that image just seems bad.

Actually Vegeta's hair has never been brown, the only reason it was brown on his first appearance is because anime creators tend to give non cannon color schemes to characters on their first appearance. A good example of this is from another series called Bleach where they gave Ichimaru Gin red eyes, only to change it to Blue when Kubo had actually drawn a full colored version of Gin with his eyes open it was shown Blue and they subsequently change it in the anime in later arc when Gin was fighting Aizen. In terms of King Vegeta being brown again he's never been shown in the manga and his colour design was made by the same animation company that gave vegeta brown hair before Akira Toriyama actually drew the character.

Lengthy Adolesnce lets see why this wholes true.Adolesnce is defined as human development generally occurring between puberty and legal adulthood (age of majority). Goku from start of DB up to the time he killed king piccolo still had the same appearance, even though he was 12 or so when the series started and at least 4+ years had passed from, that time onward. he then goes train with Kami for 3 years and only then is a noticeable growth spurt is shown. This is shows that his development is much slower than those of humans.

@Hero Knight Point out what so inaccurate ?

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@shonen: I wasn't talking about Vegeta's first appearance where they messed his entire colour palette up. Vegeta has dark brown hair, it's much more noticeable in the original Japanese broadcast of Dragon Ball Z and maybe the Dragon Box releases that stay as close to the original film as possible, but it looks completely black in other releases of Dragon Ball Z because the colours are darkened. The difference is much easier to see in newer Dragon Ball Z material too, take this screen cap, for example.

If King Vegeta's hair colour was wrong, I imagine they would have changed it after his first appearance like they did with Vegeta, but they didn't.

I checked the ages on the Dragon Ball Wiki. Goku was introduced as a 12 year old and was 15 by the King Piccolo saga, Krillin is a year older. They were both short and both grew somewhat since they were introduced. The only difference between them is that Krillin continued to grow at the same rate, while Goku had more of a growth spurt over the next three years (pretty normal when you consider it's three years worth of growth). Rate of growth aside, the point is Goku and Krillin are both more or less fully grown by then, Goku is 18 at that point and Krillin is 19, generally about the time a human is fully grown. Therefore, Goku didn't have a "lengthy adolescence" at all.

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

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@shonen: I wasn't talking about Vegeta's first appearance where they messed his entire colour palette up. Vegeta has dark brown hair, it's much more noticeable in the original Japanese broadcast of Dragon Ball Z and maybe the Dragon Box releases that stay as close to the original film as possible, but it looks completely black in other releases of Dragon Ball Z because the colours are darkened. The difference is much easier to see in newer Dragon Ball Z material too, take this screen cap, for example.

If King Vegeta's hair colour was wrong, I imagine they would have changed it after his first appearance like they did with Vegeta, but they didn't.

I checked the ages on the Dragon Ball Wiki. Goku was introduced as a 12 year old and was 15 by the King Piccolo saga, Krillin is a year older. They were both short and both grew somewhat since they were introduced. The only difference between them is that Krillin continued to grow at the same rate, while Goku had more of a growth spurt over the next three years (pretty normal when you consider it's three years worth of growth). Rate of growth aside, the point is Goku and Krillin are both more or less fully grown by then, Goku is 18 at that point and Krillin is 19, generally about the time a human is fully grown. Therefore, Goku didn't have a "lengthy adolescence" at all.

Krillin was first killed by Tambourine judging by the date on DB Wikia that would of made krillin 17 years old at time of death...Goku when he fought King Piccolo was 15 and had no noticeable change in size or appearance. The reason Krilin, and goku can be percieved as having similar growth rates because your comparing someone who is a midget, to someone who grows up at certain periods. Judging by Goku's max height in DB he should of been much taller each year next to krillin but he wasn't he always remain stagnant

and the same in size next to krillin.

In regards to King Vegeta and Vegeta. Using the anime as cannon and dragon box material really doesn't validate your point,all saiyans that have been draw by Akira Toriyama in the manga have been shown the have black hair. This excerpt is take from the daizenshuu which is an official world encyclopdia of db universe.

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@shonen said:

Goku when he fought King Piccolo was 15 and had no noticeable change in size or appearance.

Goku grew plenty between age 12 and 15. Here's a screen cap from episode 1 and here's one from his fight with King Piccolo, there's a very noticeable difference.

Judging by Goku's max height in DB he should of been much taller each year next to krillin

No... they grew at similar rates and then Goku had a growth spurt and Krillin didn't. Which is perfectly normal, everyone grows differently. I was a similar hight to a lot of my classmates when I was 11 or 12, in the next couple of years I shot up and was taller than nearly all of my friends for at least two years before a few of them caught up. I'm about 6ft 2", some of my friends caught up and some of them stayed shorter, and for the record, I am definitely a human.

all saiyans that have been draw by Akira Toriyama in the manga have been shown the have black hair.

...find me a colour drawing of King Vegeta by Akira Toriyama, and you win, otherwise that's a pretty pointless argument.

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Daniel_Newton said:

@shonen said:

Goku when he fought King Piccolo was 15 and had no noticeable change in size or appearance.

Goku grew plenty between age 12 and 15. Here's a screen cap from episode 1 and here's one from his fight with King Piccolo, there's a very noticeable difference.

Judging by Goku's max height in DB he should of been much taller each year next to krillin

No... they grew at similar rates and then Goku had a growth spurt and Krillin didn't. Which is perfectly normal, everyone grows differently. I was a similar hight to a lot of my classmates when I was 11 or 12, in the next couple of years I shot up and was taller than nearly all of my friends for at least two years before a few of them caught up. I'm about 6ft 2", some of my friends caught up and some of them stayed shorter, and for the record, I am definitely a human.

all saiyans that have been draw by Akira Toriyama in the manga have been shown the have black hair.

...find me a colour drawing of King Vegeta by Akira Toriyama, and you win, otherwise that's a pretty pointless argument.

From Akira Toriyama himself. Author intends for saiyan hair colour to be black.

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@shonen: He actually gave them permission to use different hair colours? As far as I'm concerned that means Saiyan hair doesn't have to be black then. Toriyama allowed it himself. Sure, he originally intended for all Saiyan hair to be black, but that's not how things ended up.

Anyway if we keep digging around in the technicalities of Dragon Ball all we'll do is find countless plot holes and contradictions, I'd rather not be that guy, so I suggest we just forget about it.

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Daniel_Newton said:

@shonen: He actually gave them permission to use different hair colours? As far as I'm concerned that means Saiyan hair doesn't have to be black then. Toriyama allowed it himself. Sure, he originally intended for all Saiyan hair to be black, but that's not how things ended up.

Anyway if we keep digging around in the technicalities of Dragon Ball all we'll do is find countless plot holes and contradictions, I'd rather not be that guy, so I suggest we just forget about it.

He didn't give permission he just says he's open to the idea. Even in the official manga Vegeta notes that all saiyans have black hair.

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