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Non canon or not we literally do see the Southren Galaxy vanish/destroyed in seconds. If you disagree with that you have to cite proof as to TOEI using time lapsed frames. We see the galaxy vanish/destroyed alongside a comment of Broly destroying the Southren Galaxy. That's all there is to it.

So logically anyone equal or greater in strength than LSSJ Broly should be able to galaxy bust. To me that means Super Perfect Cell and above. However, I just don't see SPC busting a galaxy. But then again at just a meager power level of 200 Master Roshi destroyed the moon. And SSJ1 Goku's power level was stated to be 150,000,000. So how many moons can 150,000,000 destroy? 750,000. That's not the mass or volume of a galaxy by a long shot.

So even though logically in the non canon universe anyone LSSJ or above in power level should be able to bust a galaxy I just don't buy it. Maybe that's just an attribute of LSSJ. Maybe it just doesn't have a limit and given enough time could surpass SSJ3, Mystic Gohan, and SSJ Vegetto levels. But this is all PURE speculations.

Verdict: No.

Kid Buu and ssj3 Goku are Universe busters jk.

Bullshit. None of them are close to one-shotting a galaxy, manga or anime.

The galaxy was spinning in M8, meaning it took decades for Broly to destroy it, which he didn't as Goku IT'd there, and you see several planets and stars intact. In the English Sub, it was also never stated Broly destroyed an entire galaxy.

Kid Buu was one-shotting planets. He never nuked parts of the galaxy.

EoS SSJ3 Goku is solar level in attack potency. He's not one-shotting galaxies.

Regarding the anime

Does anyone plan to address the demonstrated ability for buu to rip apart boundaries between dimensions of space-time? And yes, it was both space and time since hyperbolic time chamber does not exist in normal time. Or are all the dbz-haters gonna ignore that? Dimensions of space-time = fabric of existence itself. All I need now is someone to tell me that ripping apart the fabric of existence can not threaten the universe, and I will know that you're trolling.

Also: about Broly destroying galaxy in years vs seconds

3 likely scenarios

1) broly destroys galaxy in seconds (as shown on screen) - he 1 hits galaxy or destroys galaxy in a handful of hits

2) broly destroys galaxy in years. assuming avg distance between 2 solar systems is 1 lightyear (a pretty damn low estimate if you look at our own universe), there are billions of stars in a galaxy. so to travel to them one by one and destroy galaxy in a few years = broly moving at billions of times the speed of light. not even dbz fanboys think that broly is powerful enough to do that. on behalf of broly they would like to thank you for your sincere flattery. and btw, someone needs to calculate how much energy a punch moving at a billion times the speed of light has, because i think that the punch itself might destroy a galaxy one hit.

3) broly moves to sectors of the galaxy and blows up the entire sector in 1 shot, then moves on to the next. this greatly shortens the amount of distance he has to travel - k great. this is in restricted super saiyan form. legendary form is massively more powerful than restricted form.

what now?

@rein:

He went to a remaining planet. It was like 95% of the galaxy I suppose.

@axavierhansz: If someone like Broly was taking years King Kai would have told Goku about it the moment he saw Goku become a Super Saiyan since he probably assumed (based on his own ignorance towards the Saiyans legends and capabilities) that Goku was the same as Broly at the time.

@rein said:

@Mortein said:

" according to manga they are not even close. In the anime Broly destroyed almost whole galaxy, and Buu destroyed several galaxies in unknown amount of time. these are the facts "

I never got how brolly destroyed a galaxy if Goku went to it, and was standing on one of the planets lol. And I think kid buu destroyed those galaxies a little at a time. SS3 is the closest imo But I'm not entirely sure Even he could manage it

Goku was standing on the remains of the south galaxy, not the Galaxy itself. And Broly also didn't destroy the entire galaxy, he destroyed more like 70-85% of it.

Broly in the Dbz movie canon? Yes. The galaxy moving fast didn't mean that much time passed. It was just for effect. Or they didn't know that a fast moving galaxy can be interpreted as having time passing. But nonetheless it still didn't mean it for the movie. If it took that long to destroy the galaxy then King Kai (Who hardly knew jack shit about Super Saiyans) would have asked Goku to take care of it the moment he realized Goku was a Super Saiyan after beating Frieza. Broly would have been a much bigger threat in King Kai's opinion than androids he didn't even know about. Therefore Broly outright blew away the majority of the galaxy.

SS3 Goku and Kid Buu are going to require more debate on this matter.

Goku at the time of the Frieza saga could destroy at least 8,300 planets if we go by Vegeta being the minimum for destroying planets when he was first fighting Goku with a level of 18,000. SS3 Goku on the other hand during the Buu saga was so much more powerful than Frieza saga SS Goku that it made him look like a joke. Not only does the level of Super Saiyan matter but so does the base level of the user. Goku during the Cell games in his base form was already superior to Frieza. So the more powerful your base is the even greater your SS levels will be.

Goku during the Frieza saga at Super Saiyan is generally considered to have a level of 150,000,000 since it was the last "Supposedly" official recorded level alongside Frieza's level of 120,000,000.

If we assume that he uses his maximum from his previous fights as a measuring tool then during the Cell games he would at least make sure to be stronger than Frieza in his base state.

So with base being hypothetically/theoretically at 150,000,000 then that would mean Super Saiyan multiplying his level by 50 would produce a level of 7,500,000,000. With that he would blow away (by my VEGETA MINIMUM LEVEL theory) at least 416,600 earths.

During the Buu saga he might have tried to make his base form as strong as his Cell games appearance. So that would mean if we use my calculations of 7,500,000,000 as his base level for the Buu saga, then that multiplied by 50 is 375,000,000,000.

That would equal to at least 20,800,000 planets.

Now take each base level I took and multiply it further for each level of Super Saiyan.

Super Saiyan =x50, Super Saiyan 2=x100, Super Saiyan 3=x400

150,000,000x100 (SS2 assuming he still had the same base as during the Cell games in the Buu saga with my calculations)=15,000,000,000 which equals to at least 830,000 planets

150,000,000x400 (SS3)= 60,000,000,000. The number of planets for this one is 3,300,000 at the least.

(Second base level used) 7,500,000,000x100= 750,000,000,000 which is equal to at least 41,700,000 planets.

So as you can see by these theoretical/hypothetical levels they can destroy quite a bit. But it still is debatable as a galaxy could be filled with billions of planets. Maybe a small galaxy could be managed. And one would wonder what they can do if they are possibly capable of applying that level of ki to their physical strength. Meaning theoretically they could move planets. Most of the time though since the need has never been met the desire has never been met. For guys like Frieza it just is more effective to commit mass genocide by destroying it with an energy blast rather than punching it to bits or using physical force for anything more than blocking an equivalent punch or blast. Where would Goku be if he tried to move the planets he was on with his arms when all he needs to do is defeat his opponent? What good would that do in a fight against guys like Frieza, Cell, Buu, or Bills? They won't move away from the planet just because you tried pushing it away from them when the gravity keeps them on it.