DRAGON BALL Z #30 - - Watch & Learn

Topic started by No_name_here on Aug. 12, 2013. Last post by GrayWolf2 1 year, 2 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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For whatever reason, Hulu has decided to remove the three episodes between this and the last one I watched. Like, only those three episodes. I guess, if we’re trying to recreate the experience of viewing this show as it 'originally' aired, then maybe this is like me missing a few episodes because I had to visit my grandparents or something.

(Or perhaps we’ve got a “Hulu Edit” now to contrast with the various cuts by FUNimation, Ocean, et al).

Either way, it’s amusing to just get a recap of the fight with Nappa instead of actually seeing it played out, blow-for-blow. I get the feeling that I didn’t miss much - - although Vegeta’s shrieking “DIE!” almost arbitrarily as he tosses Nappa up probably would’ve been even funnier in full context.

Again, Goku vs. Vegeta is basically Superman vs. Zod, and since such a big portion of this episode is actually devoted to Goku flying to an even more remote location to keep their fight away from innocents, it’s worth comparing it to MAN OF STEEL. While there are plenty of criticisms that people can validly lob at that flick, the complaints about its level of collateral damage are still pretty asinine.

  1. Godlike beings brawling in urban landscapes, and wrecking all sorts of collateral, have been a fundamental part of superheroic fiction (like DBZ!) for decades. Getting queasy about that now is tantamount to asking why these heroes don’t just step back and call the proper authorities.
  2. Egoraptor rather accurately pointed out how ludicrous the very notion of these unobstructed wastelands are. Like, there just happens to be an area nearby with no bystanders and, because Vegeta’s such a sporting villain, he’ll courteously follow Goku there instead of heading over to a city where he can actually, y’know, fulfill his stated aim of massacring humans.

At the least, the appeal of watching so damn many of these shows is that you get illustrated talking points for the merits of various "moral conundrums" that come up in pop entertainment. Now... where do you stand?

Watch this episode, Goku Vs. Vegeta" here and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.

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Post by FoxxFireArt (2,644 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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I've found much of the criticism against MAN OF STEEL to by eye-rolling, and it's normally come from people who are way into the comics. Thus confirming to me why Superman fans can be some of the most annoying in fandom. They can never seem to accept anything but perfection. They seem to think he should be able to do and know everything he does in the comics. Forgetting that this version had never been in a fight, and was up against a trained squad of elite soldiers who have decades of battle experience.

The only thing that felt wildly out of place for me was that Lois Lane make out scene in the middle of the destruction.

It's more reasonable that DBZ version of Earth has all these vast open fields. Some often say that they do this in comics to make the protagonist more heroic since he cares about innocent people getting in the crossfire. I always felt it was becasue the creators were too lazy and didn't want to have to render the destruction or reactions of the people in the city. It's faster just to draw random mountains.

Post by tristenkw5 (35 posts) See mini bio Level 6

I'm not a "fan" of Superman, but I respect him as a character, and can say that it's only different because it's Superman. That's the part that makes it even more ridiculous that no effort is even put in to try to protect innocents. It's not that people are all like 'Oh no, I don't like people dying!" it's the fact that Superman showed absolutely no care that people were dying.

The fight could've happened exactly the same way, and added a single line of "I'm not going to fight you like this Zod! Not here!" followed by Zod punching him in the face and the fight starting anyway, and people would probably not even be complaining. He's f'ing Superman. The villain doesn't have to agree to move, Superman should be smart enough to trick him into doing it, or strong enough to force him into it, etc. etc. Even if he didn't succeed, just trying was all it took. THAT'S why it feels off in the movie. It's against the character.

I wouldn't defend DBZ in this case nearly as much, but I don't see why a planet that clearly isn't Earth having wastelands is so ridiculous. It'd be one thing if they just put them in for the sake of fights, but there were wastelands in the DB universe long before the need for them, as seen in the original Dragonball. And I'm not sure if wastelands with mountains and mesas count as "unobstructed" anyway.

Lastly, the characters in DBZ always operate on one same wavelength for the most part, and that's valuing a good fight above all else. Vegeta especially would agree to whatever Goku requested as long as it would make the fight seem fair, and his superiority over him could go unquestioned. Killing everyone became just a side thing compared to that, which could easily be done once Goku was out of the way. Other villains later obviously don't fit this standard (Frieza) but it's pretty common otherwise, and I think it makes enough sense that it makes complaining about it more nitpicky than anything else.

All that said, DBZ is a show with a ton of faults at the end of the day, so I'm not saying it's perfect. That's just my personal counter argument, kind of playing devil's advocate. I agree with Tom most times, so I don't want to sound like a fanboy.

Post by GrayWolf2 (343 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Always found it a little amusing in DBZ that they always tried to take the battle away from the innocent population seeing as how every major villain could blow up the earth anyway. Really, what would it matter where you went if that happens? At the end of the day it's just Toriyama not wanting to draw many city buildings for fight scenes because it was a lot of work.

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