Dragon Ball Z Forum

Vegeta is by no means a bitch!

My favorite plot holes are when they blow up the moon twice and how none of the power-level/transformation dynamics make sense.

ALSO WHY DIDN'T GOHAN EVER TRANSFORM INTO SSJ2 AS AN ADULT EVEN WHEN IT COULD HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE? WHY?!

Still, I love DBZ.

@re_player92 said:

@ojete: Correct me if I'm wrong, not really into manga, but wasn't that the original stopping point in the manga and due to the series popularity they continued on? I mean when you see the Frieza saga you can see they are wrapping it up. Vegeta is dead and has given a very heart felt speech to Goku, Goku is the one and only saiyan to turn into a super saiyan proving that he is the one unique one out of the bunch, Frieza the main villain dies and the fate of Goku is left mysterious.

Yeah, Toriyama wanted to ended there but they "push him" a little bit to continue the series. And then at the end of the next arc the same thing happened.
 
It would be perfect if the series had ended up there, in Namek, even with Goku dying after killing Frieza. Frieza was the ultimate enemy to Goku, a pure evil being who was the strongest guy in the universe. And in that time, when Goku was the only "legendary super saiyan" everything has much more sense.

@epicsteve said:

@ojete said:

@epicsteve said:

To clarify, we aren't talking about the Manga at all.

Ok, but then don't take as a plot hole something that is like that just because the Anime sucks.

@re_player92 said:

Oh and DBZ should have ended after the Frieza saga.

+1

It is a plot hole. The anime is a standalone product. The intro doesn't have some obvious message that says "Hey, read the Manga for the plot portion." It's like pointing out bullshit in Star Wars and having fans bring up extended fiction. I'm aware the anime is an adaptation of a book. However, that doesn't excuse sloppy presentation. DBZ also has had more time that virtually any other show in existence to establish plot, clocking in at 294 episodes. Instead time is spent powering up and watching poor excuses for comic relief.

I just said that you can't take just the anime as a standalone product as long as it's an adaptation from Manga. If the plot holes came from the filler (and the DBZ filler was one of the worst thing anyone has ever done to humanity) you can't say they are "Dragon Ball" plotholes, they are just things that came up wrong because the people making the TV show had no idea of what they were doing. There are a lot of bigger and more obvious plot holes in Dragon ball (when the hyperbolic time chamber first appeared it is said that only two people can be there at once. Later in the boo saga, four people enter at the same time -goten, trunks, piccolo and boo) than things that happened "just in the anime".

I never got it anyway, my friend used to watch DBZ and I'd just sit through it cause I knew Tenchi was on next. Although I rarely watch any modern shoujo either so I think that's just what I'm into

I came because of the title, but I read because I recently saw Kai. It was the first time I saw Dragon Ball Z completely.

Dragon Ball Z is awesome and all but you should watch Dragon Ball that's a pretty good too, it was the first anime series I ever watch and it's probably still my favorite. It tells the story about Goku and how he grows up (well sort of) it has kids flying through God's brother, unending towers and nose bleeds :D.

I loved DBZ as a kid; it's just plain fun to watch.
 
P.S Vegeta will beat your ass.

Love the article. Keep it up dude!

Really good article Steve.

can someone explain the numbering system here?