Dragonball Kai: Ditch the Filler, Ditch the Violence?

Topic started by gia on April 20, 2009. Last post by Elfie 5 years, 2 months ago.
Post by gia (3,032 posts) See mini bio Level 13
I haven't gotten to watch Dragon Ball Kai yet, though I'm hoping to-- Dragon Ball Z without the filler and time stretching? Talk about an idea I can actually get into!

Unfortunately, Sankaku Complex reports that the series is being heavily censored for violence on Japanese TV...which seems to speak to a growing conservatism in Japan. At least, assuming that the comparisons are being made from the original TV broadcast version versus the new one, as opposed to the VHS/DVD release compared to the new one.

That said, you can definitely se a significant difference here-- the art may look nicer, but way, way less blood. Which makes me a lot less excited for the possibilities of the show! How about you?
Post by Void_Wizard (735 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Wow, um, this cements the idea that I will not be watching this.
Post by Agent_Lost (1,124 posts) See mini bio Level 10
I think that they need to redo all the series from scratch. Right now it look weird, even without the censorship. The show start with a brand new amazing HD intro but then it go down hill, fast. Yes, they clean up the old animation cell but that also the problem. The difference for the op and the show animation is so different that it almost shocking. They cleanup the old animation cell but fact still remain that it a 20 years old show.
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,181 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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You know, I think Dragon Ball Z was probably censored in the same way on TV. I think you had to get the DVD releases for the blood, I could be wrong though I guess.

And that comparison image just makes me even more sure that I prefer the original/DVD colours.
Post by raintenshi (4 posts) See mini bio Level 1
Huh. I missed the less violence part but you're right. But that doesn't bother me too much, since the general violence is still there. There's something... retroy about watching this series, which I enjoy. The problem with this series isn't the bad art/graphics or the violence, but the fact that there is so much filler/fluff, which has now been fixed. Besides, I am willing to bet that when this comes out on DVD, they will put the cut-out violence parts. The de-fluffing will also allow people to watch the series who missed it the first time around and also makes it affordable to buy the series when it comes out on DVD.
Post by MorpheusDreamweaver (93 posts) See mini bio Level 1
I can't get too worked up about it. The "original" comparison image is probably from the DVD release -- how likely is it that anyone still has a copy of the original TV broadcast? And I would expect the blood to be back in the new DVD release.
Post by Devilly (5,329 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Agent_Lost said:
"I think that they need to redo all the series from scratch. Right now it look weird, even without the censorship. The show start with a brand new amazing HD intro but then it go down hill, fast. Yes, they clean up the old animation cell but that also the problem. The difference for the op and the show animation is so different that it almost shocking. They cleanup the old animation cell but fact still remain that it a 20 years old show.
"
Agreed and burn all the DBE copies while they`re at it xD
Post by Kuro (559 posts) See mini bio Level 5
If there is no blood in the dvd release, i'm flipping shit.
Post by Elfie (43 posts) See mini bio Level 1
I wonder if the 'censorship' was done not only for local tastes, but to go ahead and do the 'edit' work upfront for other territories that are also conservative about depicting blood in animation.

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Dragonball Lite?
Post by Sonata (35,097 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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I have been watching Dragonball Kai and I haven't been impressed with it.
Post by NovidAnon (82 posts) See mini bio Level 6
This is iffy for me. They have botched this big time not only with blood which was done in dramatic fashion... but its too easy to take the original cell (which I hear they don't have many of) and make it HD and they couldnt even do that.

This is a problem with a lot of series made from the 80's onward a lot of the cells are gone forever, and many were reused. As so long as the company has the original film negatives (which a lot of them do) they can show HD product - those that only have a video tape (such as later 90's work) or a non - HD digital copy (Fullmetal comes to mind) can blow it up till the cows come home but it will never be true HD. I have heard that there are companies trying to figure out if they can get some of the betamax (remember even though Betamax lost the war with VHS, many broadcasters still used it until Sony released an early version of the Blu-Ray for digital archives.

But then again, if there editing for international release i see no problem with this. They have to deal with the facists anyway in there own house and in others. The money is tight and the anger is real.
Post by Elfie (43 posts) See mini bio Level 1


Why I can't speak for DB cels explicitly, as a cel collector, I can speak generally of 'cels' in relation to the anime industry as a whole.

Very few companies kept cels, and if they did, they only kept a few select ones. Even when some cels were kept and stored, some studios were notorious for taking those cels and weighing down a stack with a brick (so they'd be stable and stacks wouldn't collapse as a/c and heating vents turned on and off). This caused the cels to permanently stick to other cels, irreparably damaging them.

Even when cels are properly stored, there's color and line fading, so the simple fact remains that the cels themselves have degraded and look far less optimal than they did when first filmed all those years ago.

Cels reach the market through the studio officially selling them off, or via animators (many of which do not make a living wage) whom would 'unofficially' take home cels they worked on and sell them as well. While this later practice wasn't actively condoned, most studios sort of looked the other way about it so long as it wasn't directly brought to their attention. So if the animator was discreet, it was unofficially tolerated. Cels that reach the market are not only sold in Japan, but have trickled throughout the entire world, and it's impossible to get back those cels.

And you're talking about a minimum of about 24,000 cels for a single episode. Backgrounds were reused across episodes and those are even more difficult to locate.

Post by Elfie (43 posts) See mini bio Level 1
Oh and I forgot to add that for really older shows, most of the painting on the cels was removed, and the celluloid film used to paint another cel on it for another show entirely. This is why so few cels exist for classic disney and anime shows and movies. Or the cels were simply trashed (and in Japan that usually meant burned).

P. S. The edit feature doesn't appear to be working.
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