Murder Most Foul: Four Belgian Men Arrested in 2007 "Manga Killings"

Topic started by Boddington on Sept. 21, 2010. Last post by afrofools 4 years ago.
Post by Boddington (169 posts) See mini bio Level 9
It was one of those cases that gave a figurative crate of ammunition to uptight, conservative mothers in Anytown, America: a grisly murder carried out seemingly influenced by "those Japanimation comic books" their sons and/or daughters were bringing home with their allowances. In 2007 just such an event took place in Saint-Gilles, Belgium, one of the urban municipalities in the Brussels capital zone, when three men killed, cut up and ham-handedly attempted to dispose of the body. Now four men are in custody over the slaying--three for the actual killing and one for witnessing the act yet standing idly by--and new details are emerging on the case. 
 
Reports of the arrest come from Belgian newspaper De Morgen (via ANN and a Belgian Japanese studies blog) who says that the victim was a French national who was a roommate with one of the suspects in custody. After an altercation between the two the former was killed and the Belgian man and two accomplices tried to dissolve the body with acid, failing, and then just cutting it up and leaving the remains in Saint-Gilles' Dudenpark. Near the bodies were two identically worded notes in poorly written block lettering: "WATASHI WA KIRA DESS." These jackholes could have used penmanship and Japanese lessons. 
 
The kicker is that police say one of the suspects was a manga fan and, obviously, a big fan of Death Note, which has caused a fair amount of reaction from the warrens of society that think anime and manga are child-corrupting guides to devil worship. Now, I don't know about you, but it doesn't sound like the French national was killed because of that particular series. If anything, the notes seem to have been an afterthought or even a red herring to throw the cops off. Whatever the case, it doesn't change the fact that somebody was killed and manga will be forever linked with this heinous act.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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If that was how the wrote their "Engrish" they screwed it up. It should be "Watashi wa Kira desu". The "u" at the end is just left silent. Also, if it was a Japanese attacker, why write romanji rather than actual Japanese.
 
This may be the Holmes geek in me, but this is pretty similar to Sherlock Holmes first book, A Study in Scarlet. In that one, a man is found murdered alone in a room. Written on the wall in blood was a German phrase, but the dead body wasn't bleeding from anywhere.
Holmes was able to discover that the killer wasn't German and only had a little knowledge of it, because what was written on the wall wasn't spelled correctly.
 
As far as some groups are concerned, everything save for the Bible is child corrupting. These are the same arguments that people make against comic books, movies, rock music, rap, and even Harry Potter. These are the kind of people who watch Disney movies looking for things they can point to as sexual.
 
While I do notice this is yet another article revolving around another VIZ series. This one actually seems much more valid as news worthy.
Post by deathzero (5 posts) See mini bio Level 5
this is just a way for the world to try to suppress anime and manga
Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20
This is too bad for anime/manga and the murdered man. Of course, I don't think (with the current general views of anime/manga and its fans) that we or the material will escape such connotations. But creativity be damned we will keep doing what we do!
 
@FoxxFireArt:

Death Note is still a great series despite that fact.
Post by ShadowKnight508 (5,319 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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@sotyfan16 said:
" This is too bad for anime/manga and the murdered man. Of course, I don't think (with the current general views of anime/manga and its fans) that we or the material will escape such connotations. But creativity be damned we will keep doing what we do!
 
@FoxxFireArt:
Death Note is still a great series despite that fact. "
Agreed. It is unfortunate events like this that cause people to look down upon Anime/Manga.
Post by Ryokan (291 posts) See mini bio Level 12
 

Damn it !  I lived near the Dudenpark ! 
 
The fact is this park has a very bad reputation for being a rendez-vous of junkies and dealer, but that's mainly because he has not lighting at all. 
 
But I higly doubt that will change anything in Belgium. I mean, actually, even at the time, the struggle for my country to shape a governement attract a lot more attention. (In fact, we are in the edge of secession for almost four years, do you believe that ?) 
 
So don't sweat on this.  
In Belgium and french, when people tend to think badly on something, it's on the RPG (Online or not) more than the Manga.  
 
Fact is, some of the more popular european comics have been published in Belgium, so people critisizing manga are more about the "trashy drawing and animation" and being " only violence and sex in theme". (As if nobody ever published and read Manara there...)
 
   
Post by SamJaz (12,852 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Let's look at it from the other angle here.
People who read Deathnote are corrupted by its evil and brutally murder people.
Let's test this hypothesis. 
 
I haven't  commmited murder lately. Tom Pinchuk, have you experienced any murderous urges since reading Death Note? Anyone else? 
 
Come on guys, help me out. I'm testing a serious scientific theory and I need to know if I'm the anomaly here. Does reading death note cause people to kill people? Have any of you experienced murderous impulses after reading the series that were not there before reading the series? Be honest now.
 

Post by Dinstar (5 posts) See mini bio Level 4

I'm from Belgium too and the only people who actually talked to me about this case are my fellow-anime/manga-fans... I don't think other pleople actually care, since most murder-cases have a lot of strange or unrelated facts.
Also, people around here don't really know what manga or anime are, unless you explain them clearly, with examples like: " It's like Pokemon, but also for adults! ". And they've already forgotten it again the next day anyway. My parents heard the message too, and they didn't respond with: "hey, you have that book on your shelve!" So they probably didn't notice either :D 
Case closed ^^
Post by Superevil225 (6,742 posts) See mini bio Level 17
This reminds me of that story. Where this 10 year old kid watch a lot of Naruto. He and his friend wanted to imitate Gaara (sp? I don't watch the series). So the kid got his friend to bury him completely in sand. The friend left the boy, essentially, and then the boy died. Sad story, but if a 10 year old boy doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction, then he shouldn't be watching shows like Naruto.
Post by Chris207 (4 posts) See mini bio Level 13
This sounds like replacing the Human Torch of the Fantastic Four with H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot in the old Hanna-Barbera cartoon so kids don't set themselves on fire.
Post by Boddington (169 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@SamJaz: I did kill a man, not because of Death Note, but just to watch him die.
Post by SamJaz (12,852 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Boddington: Right, case one for Deathnote NOT being the cause of murder.
For the record, I stopped killing people BEFORE I got into manga.
Post by Kelleth (7,777 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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*facepalm* ugh.. Belgen >_>
Post by Kelleth (7,777 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Dinstar said:
" I'm from Belgium too and the only people who actually talked to me about this case are my fellow-anime/manga-fans... I don't think other pleople actually care, since most murder-cases have a lot of strange or unrelated facts.Also, people around here don't really know what manga or anime are, unless you explain them clearly, with examples like: " It's like Pokemon, but also for adults! ". And they've already forgotten it again the next day anyway. My parents heard the message too, and they didn't respond with: "hey, you have that book on your shelve!" So they probably didn't notice either :D Case closed ^^ "
Some Dutch people might remember :)  (Like how i remember that one time i saw on Canvas that 4 Flemish people dressed up as terrorists for an anti-terrorist promotion. The problem was that they had to drive across town and their car broke down. So they all got out of the car to push with fake semi-automatics and all. And this happened before an important congress building of sorts. XD)
Post by pepemetalero (14 posts) See mini bio Level 12
I'm a big fan of Death Note and I'm not a killer for that ...   fantasy  differs  from reality
 
 
Post by Tommy_X (6 posts) See mini bio Level 5

These guys were born crazy and one fictional series didn't make them kill. How many people have been killed in the name of faith and religions? You still don't see anyone trying to ban christianity as satanistic. For the record I've tried many things and I've found that watching Death Note is the only thing that's keeping my murderous urges at bay. Of course I might be an exception.
Post by afrofools (3 posts) See mini bio Level 4
I think that most people that are going to murder and act out something they have seen on a show, movie, book or game; were going to murder regardless, but they are recreating something they love for a sick sense of enjoyment. 
 
What I am trying to say is: Anime is not the reason these murderers killed that man, their sick minds are, and since they were fans of that anime they wanted to re-enact a part of it in the process of committing the murder.
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