Topic started by No_name_here on Aug. 24, 2010. Last post by YotaruVegeta 1 month, 1 week ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11

You’ve really got to question where the boundaries of trademark infringement actually lie. Even if you somehow didn’t hear the new villains referring to each other as “Oingo” and “Boingo” in the last scene (clearly-spoken, and without accents, no less), there’s no way you’re missing the book with their names written on it because… it’s written in English. At that point, does changing their names in the sub-titles actually cover anybody’s ass in the event when, for some unfathomable reason, Danny Elfman and the boys decide to get up and defend the brand integrity of a New Wave band that’s been broken up for 20 years? The trademark infringement is still there. On screen. And spoken repeatedly.

Honestly, I’d prefer to think the translation team is just having too much fun coming up with coy Roman a Clefs that they’re doing it even when it isn’t necessary. I get a feeling these new names reference some obscurer deep cut from the Oingo Boingo catalog - - and they’re real proud of themselves for finding it.

Anyway, despite my gripes about the show feeling like more of the same last time, this episode is just a delightful return to form, reminding you why you fell in love with Jojo’s in the first place. There’s just a wonderfully visceral escalation of absurdity, as the Stardust Crusaders deduce their new foe’s abilities, act on apparent weaknesses and are then thwarted by his counter-strategizing. It might be the only show where breathless on-the-nose dialog breaking down fact tactics is actually part of the charm, and the endless deathbed confession at the end might be one of the best camp gags ever seen in the show.

In hindsight, though, this does bolster my observation that the show’s biggest weakness is that the manga chapters can’t be broken up smoothly in the page-to-frame transition. This is maybe the fourth or fifth time where the second half of a two-parter has made up for the sluggish first half.

Watch "Iggy the Fool and Geb's N'doul, Part 2" and decide for yourself, then read my thoughts on the previous episode.

Post by zaldar (1,338 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Glad it seems to be getting better if not up to first two season's heights. Questions on the trademark infringement stuff as that is the law I study (well Intellectual property but Trademark is part of that). Were these the singers names or the groups name? The groups name I expect is trademarked but if it is no longer used in commerce no one could sue over it. Now if you can buy the bands back catalog somewhere that might be enough use. Still - as it is used here in new art I think they would have a fair use/parody defense. They would have to go to court to defend it though and may very well not want to. But if the AMVs we all love are fair use than this certainly should be.

The more "famous" bands they might need to be more careful of because of something called dilution by tarnishment. These would be the bands they used in the first two seasons mostly the classic rock ones. The idea would be that by giving the names to enemies (like Dio) they are "tarnishing" the famous bands trademark. Disney is suing deadmouse for that currently I think (or they could be at least). But the band would need to be able to prove they were as famous as Disney to be able to win really.

If what they are using are the personal names then things get more complicated. You would need to get into privacy torts disclosure of private facts really wouldn't work here. Might have a right of publicity claim (Winter v. D.C. Comics being the closest case I know of) both of these though would be state law and thus different depending on the state.

And wow was that more than you probably ever wanted on this. I could go into more and do a larger analysis of the use in the show as a whole but time would be an issue and I doubt anyone would have an interest heh.

Post by Kino88 (272 posts) See mini bio Level 7
I love me some Jo Jo, Bring on the next baddie, Dio's days are numbered,
Post by rubberluffy (600 posts) See mini bio Level 16

The "new" (it was used by Viz for the manga, as well) name for Oingo and Boingo in the subtitles is the third album by The Police, Zenyatta Mondatta. Which is funny because there's a minor character in part 7 who is named that as well.

Post by takashichea (15,903 posts) See mini bio Level 25

The scene between Iggy and Jotaro was amusing. I didn't catch the new characters' name. I'm curious to go back and hear carefully.

Post by YotaruVegeta (639 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Crunchyroll is really fucking ridiculous with this name shit. It makes zero sense to me, and I heard that only one person every got pissed about his name being used (Carlos Santana) and I'm pretty sure he didn't sue or bring legal action to the JoJo's creator.

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