Watch & Learn: CLAYMORE #22-23

Topic started by No_name_here on Sept. 9, 2011. Last post by sotyfan16 2 years, 10 months ago.
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44 minutes showing us just how that sword got so dirty.
44 minutes showing us just how that sword got so dirty.

It might shock you lunatics but, even though I seem like a super-powerful creature, I’m still only human. I’m fallible. I make mistakes on occasion. And sometimes, when the numbers start piling up on these series, I’ll take too quick a glance at the titles on Hulu and accidentally skip an episode.

Which is what happened here.

If you’ve watched enough TV, you start getting a little charge out of even the slightest happy accident in your viewing experience. I remember when Tarantino was promoting GRINDHOUSE, he explained how he was inspired to randomly cut ahead in the story at a certain point in order to reproduce the intriguing ambiguity he found while watching a film print that was missing a reel at a critical point. The “edit” changed the context of the “out point” scene in a significant way.

Fatality!
Fatality!

In this case, it came down to the fight between Clare and the Lion King. On my first go round, I went from seeing Clare chop of his arm to dicing him to pieces in a matter of only a few steps. The might sound like it was anti-climactic, but my first thought was actually, “Damn. They cut right through all the bullshit, didn’t they? Again, when you’ve watched a countless number of shows, you do get a rise out of anything that flips your expectations upside-down, even if it technically breaks the “rules” of story structure.

You might think that what I’m trying to get at is that we had an episode or two of “filler” here, but that isn’t the case. Seeing what actually happened was just as valid, but different in a way that definitely changes the flavor of the plot. The first go round made Clare’s leveling-up seem like it accelerated at an staggeringly-aggressive pace. The second go round harps on how this fight has to play it like hatchet work, and that’s something I appreciate just as much. My favorite “final bout” in FMA BROTHERHOOD’s concluding arc was between the Armstrongs and Sloth, and that was precisely because it was messier and less glamorous than the rest. You really felt like the heroes were doing everything in their power to defeat the big brute because he was that formidable of a threat, and you could then just feel their exhaustion and cathartic release when they finally just barely beat the guy.

We’re in the final thrust of this series, here. An inevitable grudge match with Priscilla is surely looming but, as far as big climatic battles go, I appreciate how this is such nasty brawl going down in the thick of the gloomiest blizzard. It’s not some grand battle happening on some lush field, nor even some honorable duel being waged above some awesome volcano mouth. It’s bitter and ugly, and that very much suits the spirit and texture of CLAYMORE.

Transformation sounds like a Star War laser.
Transformation sounds like a Star War laser.

Actually, to say a little more about the spirit and texture, it’s interesting how this show’s mythos has been revealed in such minimalistic strokes. For all the detail we’ve gotten about ranks and states of awakening, not much of anything has been said about how all this madness got started in the first place. There’s no creation myth to explain where the Yoma came from or how the Organization got together and started creating Claymores (presumably through some kind of black magic or alchemistic science.) The plot’s almost all about execution. The viewer’s got to fill in a lot of details in between the key points on his or her own.

Maybe that’s why I’ve been liking it so much. It gives me enough little morsels that I’m just writing the rest of the story in my head - - and of course that’s going to be my liking. Specifically, I feel like there’s got to be some deeper meaning to how social outcast Clare’s been able to control her awakening while goody-goody over-achiever "turned" irrevocably. I want there to be some dialog about that, but the time’s getting short enough that I feel like there’s going to be no such explanation. We’ll find out soon if that proves to be frustrating or “respectful of my intelligence” when all the cards are finally dealt.

Watch these episodes "Invasion of Pieta (Part 2)” and “Critical Point (Part 1)” below, decide for yourself and then read my comments on the previous episode here.

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS! & UNIMAGINABLE. Order them on Amazon here & here. Follow him on Twitter: @tompinchuk

Post by sotyfan16 (1,340 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Way to go Tom! Skipping around to see what happens next! haha Just kidding.
 
Myself and others have stated that the manga has more info about the Yoma and the Organization; even in the volumes that this series covers. But a lot more info is brought to light in the manga from where the anime ends. At that point, there is a 7 year time skip (and everyone loves those).
 
I have to agree with you that the series is more action-focused than story-based. That must have been the decision of the director.
Post by Lurkero (398 posts) See mini bio Level 7
War and battle is rarely as glamorous as it is depicted in the media. I was very happy to see that Claire's battle wasn't some spectacle.
 
I think most fights end much faster than the ones we typically see in anime and manga. There is no 3 episode battle where the opponents spar for a bit and methodically analyze how to defeat their opponent while they stare at each other for minutes. And then when one opponent is near defeat they get a burst of energy, and the other opponent sits and watches while a new power level is being reached and finally the ultimate technique can be unleashed.
 
Yeah, that doesn't happen. Claymore is badass.
Post by metalsnakezero (665 posts) See mini bio Level 16

The plot’s almost all about execution. The viewer’s got to fill in a lot of details in between the key points on his or her own. 
 
But that was the whole point of Darker than black plot and yet you complained about it. 
Anyway for most of the good animes fights usually do last for one if they aren't impacting enough and would only need to be lengthen if it comes down to some end game. 

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@sotyfan16 said:

Way to go Tom! Skipping around to see what happens next! haha Just kidding.

Myself and others have stated that the manga has more info about the Yoma and the Organization; even in the volumes that this series covers. But a lot more info is brought to light in the manga from where the anime ends. At that point, there is a 7 year time skip (and everyone loves those). I have to agree with you that the series is more action-focused than story-based. That must have been the decision of the director.

Hnnnnnn... if this does well enough, maybe we'll eventually see CLAYMORE: SISTERHOOD to re-do everything so it's closer to the comics.

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@Lurkero said:

War and battle is rarely as glamorous as it is depicted in the media. I was very happy to see that Claire's battle wasn't some spectacle. I think most fights end much faster than the ones we typically see in anime and manga. There is no 3 episode battle where the opponents spar for a bit and methodically analyze how to defeat their opponent while they stare at each other for minutes. And then when one opponent is near defeat they get a burst of energy, and the other opponent sits and watches while a new power level is being reached and finally the ultimate technique can be unleashed. Yeah, that doesn't happen. Claymore is badass.

It's been an interesting contrast to watch this at the same time as TIGER AND BUNNY. The heroes in that show could afford to be a little more aggro like this girls.

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@metalsnakezero said:

The plot’s almost all about execution. The viewer’s got to fill in a lot of details in between the key points on his or her own.

But that was the whole point of Darker than black plot and yet you complained about it.
Anyway for most of the good animes fights usually do last for one if they aren't impacting enough and would only need to be lengthen if it comes down to some end game.

I liked DARKER THAN BLACK. However, I'd break down the difference here is that this is more operatic and visceral - - like a spaghetti western - - while DTB was trying to be like a hard sci-fi. I actually remember the first episode being exposition heavy, so if it was missing details, it was more like lost pieces.

Post by sotyfan16 (1,340 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Tom_Pinchuk:
I'd rather they not go the Brotherhood route and just go ahead and make a second season. Claymore isn't super popular like other series that are getting remakes, either.
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