Watch & Learn: CLAYMORE #2

Topic started by No_name_here on July 15, 2011. Last post by Fat_Magnum 2 years, 11 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (854 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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With a watermark just to make it clear for everybody.
With a watermark just to make it clear for everybody.

If I ever get the time, I think it might be worthwhile to put CLAYMORE down next to BERSERK and actually run some point-for-point comparison about why one is better than the other. They’re a little similar, superficially. Both are about wandering warriors with ludicrously big swords fighting demons in a generalized fantasy setting. However, all the qualities that felt cliché in BERSERK feel skillfully minimalistic here, and I can’t immediately perceive why. Is it simply that the sparse dialog is phrased better? Is it better paced even as it still doesn’t have a lot of plot to cover? Does it help that is has a bit more of a sense of humor about itself? Or is it some je nes c’est quoi?

Whatever the reasons, Clare’s doomed adventuring with Raki has moments of realer badassry and more genuine pathos. Yomas may be flesh-eating skin walkers of another name, but it’s enough for me that they aren’t exactly the same as the werewolves and vampires that have so unimaginatively become the work horses of fantasy thrillers. At least there will be some surprises in learning the precise natures of their strengths and weaknesses.

There’s also something richly tragic about how all these Claymores operate with an indeterminate death sentence hanging over their heads. It reminds me a little of an old comic called STRIKEFORCE: MORITURI, but the aspect of these saviors turning into monsters puts twist on that like a knife in the heart. Fatalism’s par for the course for shows of this stamp, and I suppose there’s something doubly-sorrowful about these Claymore doing penance for their transgression while knowing full well that a black card will eventually be dealt to spell death for them or their friends.

Of course, considering how early this whole conceit is being introduced, I suspect that the crux of the series will be about Clare and Raki somehow breaking this cycle of pain. Or maybe the creators of this are just that sadistic as to torture everybody for 26 straight episodes.

Watch this episode “The Black Card" below, decide for yourself and then read my comments on the previous episode here.

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of HYBRID BASTARDS! & UNIMAGINABLE. Order them on Amazon here & here. Follow him on Twitter: @tompinchuk

Post by Lurkero (398 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Finally, Claymore! I've been waiting to heat your thoughts on this for a while.
 
It's not the deepest anime ever, but I did enjoy the character interactions and revelations during the series.
Post by sotyfan16 (1,340 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Ah you are finally checking this one out further. There is much more to the story than is let on right now. And the fact is proven even moreso in the manga. I know you have only seen the first 2 episodes of this series but I have the link to my Dunce Cap episode about it here.
 
The more exciting parts are toward the end of the show but I think you will find it interesting. Also, Tom, look forward to an article about the series from me soon. I think you will find it useful if you continue watching Claymore.
Post by Rexic (99 posts) See mini bio Level 19
wait. are you watching steans gate,claymore and panty and stocking at the same time? or are you going through the serie sin the order they were recommended?seems like wwith that much time you could ifnish mushishi/
Post by zaldar (1,221 posts) See mini bio Level 15
that was my question Rexic....I mean he does have a day job right??  Where is the time?  Anyway saw bits of this and they were ok.  I loved berserk up until the last episode when it became completley &^%**)% (can't curse here right) insane...though I suppose I could say it went berserk....not at all deep but great action and insane amounts of blood.  My girlfriend actually enjoyed it as well...I was more upset about the last episode than she was...which was truly strange.  Will be interested in your opinions at the end on this one.  Never looked interesting enough for me to try....
Post by Fat_Magnum (2,493 posts) See mini bio Level 16
The idea of the Claymores reminds me very much of.. something I can't put my finger on but the concept is extremely familiar, maybe it is the simple idea of a tragic hero who can't escape the nature of their being, could it be the Snake clones in MGS? not sure,  werewolves? i don't like vamps, especially if they try to be anything other than evil, those things just seem very lazy to try and tell a story with these days. 
 
Because of that sort of idea this show is intriguing to me, but as @sotyfan16
 has mentioned, as have others around AV when i asked about it, the manga is much better with its narrative?  
 
I haven't seen either in their entirety but I am willing to believe the vets with much more exposure to anime/manga than myself, I'll have it in mind to watch this though, it can't hurt anything and stories don't always have to be good for something to be entertaining/piquant, imo.
Post by VanTesla (30 posts) See mini bio Level 10
I really liked Claymore until the mid of the series, then it started going down hill for me.
Post by endaround (19 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Claymore falls apart.  It starts out to be really interesting and then goes to hell.
Post by slimebeherit (1 posts) See mini bio Level 5
How much of Berserk have you read or seen? 
Post by Stahlbrand (1 posts) See mini bio Level 4

Herp a derp, video not for Canadians.

I'm sure I can find some clips elsewhere though. Sounds like it might be interesting.

Post by Dunchad (72 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Claymore is really interesting at the beginning, but like others have mentioned, it does get worse and the manga is definitely better. Though even with the manga, I wish it'd move forward a bit faster and concentrate more on the main characters.

Raki has finally become a badass, so I'd like to see more chapters devoted to him. And I really want to see him reunited with Claire.
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@lurkero said:

Finally, Claymore! I've been waiting to heat your thoughts on this for a while.

I go where I please... and I please where I go.

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@Rockingham said:

The idea of the Claymores reminds me very much of.. something I can't put my finger on but the concept is extremely familiar, maybe it is the simple idea of a tragic hero who can't escape the nature of their being, could it be the Snake clones in MGS? not sure, werewolves?

It strikes me a riff on Blade the vampire hunter.

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@vantesla said:

I really liked Claymore until the mid of the series, then it started going down hill for me.

@endaround said:

Claymore falls apart. It starts out to be really interesting and then goes to hell.

Uh oh...

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@slimebeherit said:

How much of Berserk have you read or seen?

Just the first episode.

Post by Fat_Magnum (2,493 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@Tom_Pinchuk said:

@Rockingham said:

The idea of the Claymores reminds me very much of.. something I can't put my finger on but the concept is extremely familiar, maybe it is the simple idea of a tragic hero who can't escape the nature of their being, could it be the Snake clones in MGS? not sure, werewolves?

It strikes me a riff on Blade the vampire hunter.

 
 
Yeah, I can very much see that, I liked blade but the idea of vamps trying to be good dudes/ladies got really over-done for me and twilight was just... well you know how that is.  
 
The whole WH40k setting is interesting cuz of ideas like that.. its all hilariously effed up.  Ohhh its inquisitors from Wh40k, just realized it. They use abilities to hunt down and kill 'bad' dudes when they are often just as bad or worse than what they hunt and try and 'protect' people from.   
 
 Objectively, they are ultra evil secret police given license to be above the law and are feared for their unrelenting viewpoint and the fact no bureaucratic crap will stop them, they can authorize entire planetary populations to be wiped out if they feel it needs to happen and no one will question it.(religious views mark them as holy men)
 
The 'Eisenhorn' books are my favorite in that setting, if you can handle 'dark' dsytopia weirdness its worth a read, it takes itself 100% serious and never really indicates its all for a bit of a laugh with hypothetical hyperbole , so sometimes its a bit too dark for folks ive showed it to, its neat if you can see what they try and illustrate (ie: humans fuck themselves over on a societal level as it is, throw that nature into an extremely hostile galaxy and you get WH40k)
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