Cell Forum

I just wanted to test out this theory that I found on the web and see what you guys think of it. I was going to post it in the OBD but those guys are insanely ruthless and impertinent so I wanted to test it here.

First off, I'm perfectly sane and not like the type of DBZ fanboy that claims SSJ4 is capable of starbusting universe busting. I just want to see if I can get a moment of patience and acknowledgement of the possibility of this. Anyways here it is:

Check this out, Vegeta in the Saiyan arc is basically considered an Earth buster. He says he can do it, and Goku takes his threat seriously.

Vegeta's battle power is a confirmed 18,000.

That means at a battle power of 18,000 he should be able to create a blast that has a 12,756 kilometer diameter...which would engulf the Earth. 12,756 kilometers is the Earth's diameter.

The solar system's diameter is a bit bigger, lol...it's 26,927,616,600 kilometers. *

But check this out, 18,000/12,756 = 1.41

So someone who wants to bust the Solar system should have a battle power of at least 1.41x 26,927,616,600.

26,927,616,600 x 1.41 = 37,967,939,406..we will just round off to 38,000,000,000 or 38 billion.

I mean here's what Ascended SSJ Vegeta was able to do

http://www.mangareader.net/105-3033-12/dragon-ball/chapter-384.html

Also for people who want to bring up DBZ's planet busting to be outliers here's a reminder of what Frieza did in his first form (do not and I repeat: do not reference the special)

Also for people saying how if it's a solar system busting attack then it should've instantly destroyed planet it's a distinct and I mean ABSOLUTELY distinct possibility that Cell withheld the solar system destroying power when Gohan attacked him with his kamehameha. Thus it was limited to a planet busting attack.

Now, the other reason for why it was possible that Cell's solar system busting attack not fulfilling it's purpose once making contact with Gohan's attack is that it was canceled out once it hit Gohan's blast. As seen in Dragon Ball Z it's known that chi blasts that make contact with one another stop the other's destructive blast. This seems to hold true seeing as it was important that Gohan end the beam struggle with Cell as quickly as possible seeing as how it would've exploded and taken out the entire planet.

For people who are Saint Seiya fans let's put it this way both attacks were like the Athena Exclamation's. Both were miniature versions of their more powerful destructive capabilities.

The KHH SPC and Gohan shot at each other never blew up...neither did the one FP PC and and Gohan did earlier, or Goku's Shunkan Ido + KHH...they all never blew up. Cell got swallowed up by the beams every time..and lastly totally engulfed but it still didn't detonate. In fact it's only sensible to say that once the blast made it traveled out of Earth's atmosphere it disperses or subsides according to the attack's nature. The kamehameha subsides once it's user it through (as you see once Gohan finishes Cell). Vegeta's attack on Frieza (which had the capability to destroy an entire planet) function is to explode as we see once it's out in space.

@Levance said:

Earth's constitution is weak enough to be busted by these characters, however when you consider that all planets of the solar system, plus stars and the sun, carries all a completely different consitution; while some are harders, others can be most tougher to destroy. That's my theory

PD: Sorry for the broken english

I added more reason for why Cell's attack didn't carry out it's functions when I edited the OP:

Now, the other reason for why it was possible that Cell's solar system busting attack not fulfilling it's purpose once making contact with Gohan's attack is that it was canceled out once it hit Gohan's blast. As seen in Dragon Ball Z it's known that chi blasts that make contact with one another stop the other's destructive blast. This seems to hold true seeing as it was important that Gohan end the beam struggle with Cell as quickly as possible seeing as how it would've exploded and taken out the entire planet.

For people who are Saint Seiya fans let's put it this way both attacks were like the Athena Exclamation's. Both were miniature versions of their more powerful destructive capabilities.

The KHH SPC and Gohan shot at each other never blew up...neither did the one FP PC and and Gohan did earlier, or Goku's Shunkan Ido + KHH...they all never blew up. Cell got swallowed up by the beams every time..and lastly totally engulfed but it still didn't detonate. In fact it's only sensible to say that once the blast made it traveled out of Earth's atmosphere it disperses or subsides according to the attack's nature. The kamehameha subsides once it's user it through (as you see once Gohan finishes Cell). Vegeta's attack on Frieza (which had the capability to destroy an entire planet) function is to explode as we see once it's out in space.

@KingOfSnipers said:

We don't even know if DB characters can bust gaseous giants like Jupiter. At their very best, all they've shown is being able to bust Earth-sized planets without a great effort, so I'd say no.

Planet Namek is much tougher and bigger than Earth is by a lot IIRC.

Also Planet Vegeta could be compared to the size of Earth.

Also Frieza and his father states that he has no problems busting planets no matter their size.

@Levance said:

@CoolnTwisted2k20: Let's suppose that they can deal with the planets, how will they deal with something as the sun?, they'll get burned only by getting near; not even Baby who was stronger was able to withstand the sun, but this isn't canon though

First off, GT is non-canon please don't bring up anything relating to it. Also Baby was blown into the sun by SSJ4 Goku's Kamehameha when he was escaping in his ship.

@Dream said:

What Cell spoke about his "solar system busting" was pure hyperbole.

I just pointed out how it isn't. Cell's comprised of the cells of someone who is able to destroy a planet with ease. Add that with the powers he's gained over the length of his arc it makes sense to say it's possible. Especially, if you count the fact that a blast that collides with another one is able waver the effects of the other. Like remember how Vegeta said he was going to blow up the Earth? Theoretically even blast should've made the Earth be destroyed. That's however if the blast was an explosive one. Judging by the diameter of the attack and Vegeta's comments that Goku's blast the kamehameha which is a stream of energy it was intended to shoot through the Earth and hit it's core. Also Cell mostly like would've pumped more energy into his attack like when his blast clashed with Gohan's.

I think it's possible. As long as they can initiate a chain reaction within the star by destabilise it's core it'll blow itself up destroying all orbiting celestial bodies which shouldn't be impossible for Super Perfect Cell.

@KingOfSnipers said:

I don't remember anything stating how big Namek was compared to Earth.

Doesn't really help the argument at all, honestly.

Fallacious character boast.

Why is Namek even brought up in this argument at all? Piccolo stated that Frieza could destroy the planet anytime he wanted to. Size has never been an issue when it comes to blowing up a planet. Is that honestly the defense used to push back argue against it? If the diameter of a blast at first glance was the argument against planetbusting in Z Goku would've died on Namek when he fought Frieza.

@Silvergalford

no, only the kaio planet, which is like the size of my backyard

Cell blew up Kaio's planet before he got the zenkai. The blast of the SS kamehameha is hardly that big.

@Destinyheroknight:

@CoolnTwisted2k20:

1. Everyone who could sense ki clearly thought cell wasn't bluffing.

2. For what im sure is like the 50th time someone like you have been told. Z fighters concentrate their ki and release it on a specfic target..so stuff like planets dont get blown up..just their enemies.

Vegeta

Goku and Piccolo

@KingOfSnipers:

@Dream:

King cold stated that earth was a small planet and that he and frieza both could destroy it with a single ki attack. Cell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>frieza

Going off not one but two previous feats...both goku and piccolo had enough power to destroy the moon 13 times over with those attacks. And thats pre saiyan arc. Vegeta threatened to blow up earth in the saiyan arc...and yet he didn't actually do it..he was stopped. If he didnt have the power to do it..then why did goku try and stop him? Goku was already tanking city busters..and nappas attacks who was a continent buster. Why did goku feel the need to try and stop Vegeta if he didn't have the power? Same thing with vegeta and Frieza. Piccolo made the claim that vegeta was about to destroy namek...frieza who couldn't be bothered with how weak the z fighter were...flew in front of the blast and kicked it into space. If vegeta didnt have the power to destroy the planet...then why try and deflect the blast? Frieza could survive planets exploding so why stop him? Then you have cell who makes the claim he gathered enough energy to destroy the solar system. He regenerated...came back to earth to brag about about something he couldn't do, to someone who had just nearly killed him? What sense does that make? Gohan was already blocking cells planet busters with ease. And to the people sitting here talking about akira toriyama not coming out and saying yes cell can bust solar systems..why would he think he had to when hes the one who wrote for cell to say it? Power levels of 300 was considered enough for moon busting...by the time vegeta came around claims that planet busting was for a pl of 2400. Confirmation of Planet busting came at 500,000. When cell came around power levels were way past the hundreds of millions before training. I'm not saying this is proff..im saying why go through the trouble if the claims weret true?