Question of the day: Should Lolicon (and Shotacon) Be Banned?
I think it should be banned...
Any show, showing young boys/girls in an erotic manner should not be shown...
If this were done on a live-tv show nobody would aprove of it!
I see it the same way!
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While I'm not partcicularly interested in loli, banning it sets a dangerous precedent. There are victims in real child pornography, a child being taken advantage of. However, loli/shotacon is merely a representation of child pornography. You are, in effect, banning the idea of child pornography. When some strange man in Japan draws a doujin where a little girl gets raped, nobody is actually hurt. When someone else buys or downloads it for whatever reason, nobody is hurt. How can you justify destroying someone's that doesn't affect you in the least? Moreover, ideas should be protected under the principle of freedom of expression, one of the fundamental principles of Western democracy.
Really, I feel you start to head toward thought police in something like that. It doesn't feel right that someone underage is being depicted as an erotic manner, but from a legal standpoint. Who is the victim? In actual child pornography there is a young boy or girl that is being exploited and abused. There is a victim. That child is being harmed.
If it's a fictional character that is just drawn out of someone's head, who is harmed? Arresting people for doing nothing more then owning a drawing of something feels too far. Isn't the artist who made it more culpable then the person who bought the book? Also the publisher or distributor who brought the publication into the country.
It feels like prosecutors are going after the little fish because they know that this person is less likely to be able to afford the kind of defense needed then a company. They aren't looking for Justice. They are after a "moral" victory. Something that makes them look good in the papers.
There was a movie that was released in '95 called "KIDS". In this movie it had graphic depictions of underage youths in unprotected sexual acts. One scene I heard also included a rape. I am unaware of anyone being arrested for owning the movie on VHS. How is that movie "less bad" then a drawing of similar acts? I even saw that movie being sold at Best Buy once.
You can't try and say that just by owning the book you will molest a child. That's as if you are saying everyone who listens to heavy metal or gangster rap will kill or assault. That people who play violent games will gun down a school.
I can see how possession of such materials can be used as evidence in a trial of 'actual' abuse. I just don't see how you can have a charge based around the possession of the materials and nothing else.
I wont buy that kind of manga, but that doesn't make it illegal.
If it's a fictional character that is just drawn out of someone's head, who is harmed? Arresting people for doing nothing more then owning a drawing of something feels too far. Isn't the artist who made it more culpable then the person who bought the book? Also the publisher or distributor who brought the publication into the country.
It feels like prosecutors are going after the little fish because they know that this person is less likely to be able to afford the kind of defense needed then a company. They aren't looking for Justice. They are after a "moral" victory. Something that makes them look good in the papers.
There was a movie that was released in '95 called "KIDS". In this movie it had graphic depictions of underage youths in unprotected sexual acts. One scene I heard also included a rape. I am unaware of anyone being arrested for owning the movie on VHS. How is that movie "less bad" then a drawing of similar acts? I even saw that movie being sold at Best Buy once.
You can't try and say that just by owning the book you will molest a child. That's as if you are saying everyone who listens to heavy metal or gangster rap will kill or assault. That people who play violent games will gun down a school.
I can see how possession of such materials can be used as evidence in a trial of 'actual' abuse. I just don't see how you can have a charge based around the possession of the materials and nothing else.
I wont buy that kind of manga, but that doesn't make it illegal.
So. I can point everyone to my 'defense of porn' post, again
http://www.rocketbomber.com/2009/01/10/5by8-29-the-blind-men-and-the-elephant-in-the-room
Unfortunately I get a lot of mileage out of that link.
Specifically loli and shota porn though? I can't speak to that. My gut says No.
Make that Hell No, no comics should be banned, ever, ever, unless a real life child was harmed by the artist in the process of creating the work in which case the censorship and/or destruction of that work should be a consequence of conviction for those crimes, along with things like prison and/or some other life-time supervision of the Creep Who Hurt Children.
Art does not hurt children. Drawings of people are not people. Creeps who hurt children will be creeps not matter what we publish, or don't publish, and the major consideration is not their access to Art but their access to Children.
My head, in opposition to my gut, tells me the issue is more complex than that. And reactions by civilians and the Justified Outrage of the General Public whenever they come across material like this just makes the hobby look bad.
I just want to read books. All kinds of books. Anything that gets in the way of that is bad, in my opinion. We can question the motives of people who produce works that seemingly encourage Bad People to do Bad Things to children ("Think of the children!") but I firmly believe that in a free society that encourages free speech, free thought, and free expression we cannot question their works as works. If you can prove a crime, with a real victim, then we can revisit the value of the work.
But Books don't kill people. People who burn Books kill people. You want to ban something "for the common good"?
I find that to be as abhorrent as the worst, least defensible porn.
http://www.rocketbomber.com/2009/01/10/5by8-29-the-blind-men-and-the-elephant-in-the-room
Unfortunately I get a lot of mileage out of that link.
Specifically loli and shota porn though? I can't speak to that. My gut says No.
Make that Hell No, no comics should be banned, ever, ever, unless a real life child was harmed by the artist in the process of creating the work in which case the censorship and/or destruction of that work should be a consequence of conviction for those crimes, along with things like prison and/or some other life-time supervision of the Creep Who Hurt Children.
Art does not hurt children. Drawings of people are not people. Creeps who hurt children will be creeps not matter what we publish, or don't publish, and the major consideration is not their access to Art but their access to Children.
My head, in opposition to my gut, tells me the issue is more complex than that. And reactions by civilians and the Justified Outrage of the General Public whenever they come across material like this just makes the hobby look bad.
I just want to read books. All kinds of books. Anything that gets in the way of that is bad, in my opinion. We can question the motives of people who produce works that seemingly encourage Bad People to do Bad Things to children ("Think of the children!") but I firmly believe that in a free society that encourages free speech, free thought, and free expression we cannot question their works as works. If you can prove a crime, with a real victim, then we can revisit the value of the work.
But Books don't kill people. People who burn Books kill people. You want to ban something "for the common good"?
I find that to be as abhorrent as the worst, least defensible porn.
This is a tricky question. It is agreed that the abuse of children is wrong. However this is a question of morals and it easy to have an immediate emotional response of "no child porn" and that's it. However can we say that for everything? Medical books may have the anatomy of naked children in them but is this wrong? No, it a tool to learn. But what about entertainment? Is it wrong to watch a child porn snuff film? Yes! But, Is it wrong to read a book where a major plot point is child abuse? No.
There is no definitive answer to this question. It a big fuzzy gray like that we don't want cross. I would like to live in a society that dose not see every issue as being all right or all wrong.
There is no definitive answer to this question. It a big fuzzy gray like that we don't want cross. I would like to live in a society that dose not see every issue as being all right or all wrong.
For me it come's to the free marketplace. If someone want's to watch that garage it's up to them. No one was hurt making so I don't see a problem here.
I for one just google Lolicon and Shotacon for the question of the day and it wasn't a pretty picture.
See I look at it like this if you watch something like Bible Black I don't see a problem here. Yes they made be in high school girls but they all look like women. When you get into something like Immortal Sisters now you are getting in more you should not to watch something like this. Then their's stuff like adult warning here
Which I think is over the line, but I wouldn't want anyone to ban it because I think it's over the top.
I think things like Lolicon and things alike perpetuates things like sexual abuse and assault on young. Here's why I think that...again this is just opinion. A person who enjoys things of this nature and commits a sexual crime against a child in his/her case things like this would be used against him if found in their possession. So, what if a person that has enough self constrain not to commit those crimes and shares the same ideas as the committed ? How different is that person from the accused? Who's to say that one day that won't fall astray? However, banning this like Lolicon wouldn't stop the people from enjoying things like it. Its not like the children of the age are attending these events. {I'm assuming that} In conclusion, people would like to think banning Lolicon would help prevent sexual crimes against children but I highly doubt it.
Banning lolicon/shotacon would not prevent the sickos who do crimes that hurt children. I don't think it would even reduce it. It won't add much, if any, extra motivation for sickos to commit their crimes because they are fictional. The types of people who are sickos and would do that are likely to their terrible acts to children regardless of the existence of loli/shota.
To me, it fully depends on whether or not it's sexual in nature. I just started watching Alice Academy for example, and It's great. Still, I do find it profoundly creepy when I can compare my baby pictures to anime characters being passed off as adults. Still though, banning it seems harsh, as well as impossible because...well...the internet
They're 18, I swear!
With this whole Lolicon crap stirring up a storm it's really hard to say whether to ban it or not.
Let me ask this... Would you rather have a creep watch Lolicon or Shotacon, or go out and hunt down innocent girls? It's real simple. Unless this provokes them to go out and do such. In that case, it's all up in the air.
Let me ask this... Would you rather have a creep watch Lolicon or Shotacon, or go out and hunt down innocent girls? It's real simple. Unless this provokes them to go out and do such. In that case, it's all up in the air.
Not sure what you are asking but seeing the other answers, it's clear that it is some pedophile anime show. Cartoons are harmless but this ain't harmless. This will make any sicko go and kidnap a little girl, dressing her up like those anime girls and raping her. Adult anime character sex is fine to anyone, but young kids that look like 10 or younger?! Wow, whoever made that anime probably getting lawsuit against him already. The law ain't no laughing matter.
Hentai is different then porn. I've seen loli before. It has absolutely nothing to do with Little Kids. I personally like guro, Does that mean i get turned on when I watch Saw? Hell No. To this day i have not sat through an entire saw movie, because i find it absolutely revolting. And Most people who have hentai "sister complexes" Don't actually have sisters. I Could form a huge list of things that I find enjoyable in hentai that disgust me irl, but i think i can Sum It up here. Hentai Is not real.
The people featured in the series (I'm Sorry Lucy my Love) are just that. Not Real. they don't Think about what's going on. they don't feel pain, or anger, or regret. And until somebody provides evidence to the contrary, drawings do not need the same rights as human beings. (Side note, half of the characters who get raped in hentai, Either secretly wanted to Or end up enjoying it 0_0)
The people featured in the series (I'm Sorry Lucy my Love) are just that. Not Real. they don't Think about what's going on. they don't feel pain, or anger, or regret. And until somebody provides evidence to the contrary, drawings do not need the same rights as human beings. (Side note, half of the characters who get raped in hentai, Either secretly wanted to Or end up enjoying it 0_0)
While I do find lolicon and shotacon to be lacking in taste for me, I think banning them outright would place a hazardous situation onto fans of that aspect of anime. Much like hentai, eroge and other similar outlets, lolicon and shotacon provide a means by which fans of it can let out their urges without inflicting them upon any real child in real life. After all, Japanese society does place very high standards on conformity and respect for others which there are people who find it very difficult to adapt to unless they have some outlet to let out any violent and/or sexual urges that doesn't inflict harm onto others in real life. I believe banning anything like lolicon and shotacon would increase the likelihood of such people committing a violent or sexual act in real life as without an outlet for their repressed aggression, there will be a breaking point where such people can't handle the pressures of society any longer. There hasn't been any documented evidence that proves any lolicon or shotacon fans committing any real life crime against a living person. So as long as there isn't any such unbiased evidence behind this, I can't really support such a ban.
