Are the Top tiers of Bleach more powerful than we realize?

Topic started by SuperperfectCell on May 23, 2011. Last post by MohsinMan99 3 years, 1 month ago.
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10


Ok so i am havign a debate with this one dude on youtube which is Bleach VS DBZ related, he claims that because Aizen was able to destroy a being of reason, the actual concept which shouldn't be possible he says thats a much greater feat than planet busting and so he says Aizen could pretty much take out guys like Frieza and so on. And Ichigo could as well when he reached that point in power when he reached Aizen's level (because he would be just as powerful as him duh) and even more so when he surpassed him.

 

So i want you guys to tell me what yall think about this and if you think Aizen going by this feat could solo several DBZ characters.

Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Bump. stop being shy! tell me what you think.
Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,140 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@SuperperfectCell: HAHAHHAHAHAHHAA who ever ur debating with doesnt know crap about this kinda stuff huh?
Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21
Who is this being of reason that guy refers to? I don't remember any conceptual/abstract beings in Bleach...
Also, DBZ trumps Bleach any day...
Post by sickVisionz (4,221 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@MohsinMan99 said:

Who is this being of reason that guy refers to? I don't remember any conceptual/abstract beings in Bleach...
Also, DBZ trumps Bleach any day...
Gin tells Aizen that they should run because "The Cleaner" doesn&squot;t exist in the world of reiatsu, it exists in the realm of reason which makes shinigami powers useless against it.
Gin tells Aizen that they should run because "The Cleaner" doesn't exist in the world of reiatsu, it exists in the realm of reason which makes shinigami powers useless against it.
Aizen ignores him and stands in front of it.
Aizen ignores him and stands in front of it.
Aizen stands still and does something where his eyes start to glow
Aizen stands still and does something where his eyes start to glow

The glowing eye thing makes the beast explode. It was a weird explosion where afterwards you could see it's skeleton (which was still in tact) falling to the ground despite the fact that such an explosion would make you think his body was blown up and its skeleton would be scattered all over the place rather than something that would keep its skeleton in place.
The glowing eye thing makes the beast explode. It was a weird explosion where afterwards you could see it's skeleton (which was still in tact) falling to the ground despite the fact that such an explosion would make you think his body was blown up and its skeleton would be scattered all over the place rather than something that would keep its skeleton in place.

I'd put this form of Aizen on par with some DBZ characters, and not just the weakest ones. Physically, he and Ichigo were doing things that I didn't see happen in DBZ. They swung their swords near a mountain and the mountain explode just from the air pressure and vibrations generated. When DBZ guys blow up mountains it because they actually threw someone through it or one of their attacks missed and hit the mountain. Aizen eventually powered up past that point and Ichigo powered up again as well. Additionally, this exploding/disintegrating things in the world of reason with his mind was a feat Aizen did before powering up two additional times.

Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@sickVisionz: Oh, that's real DEEP THINKING! I thought he must've been referring to the Spirit King...
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Anyone else care to contribute?
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Filler character captain also destroyed the cleaner iirc. Destroying it mean nothing, it is quite unquantifiable- what is its durability? 

As far as VS dragonball, the notion is laughable. The very weakest DB characters could destroy the moon, and destroy entire regions of earth casually. 
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@hitsusatsu11
yeah but it was filler so it was non cannon entirely, and branches off as another reality in the bleach multiverse (yeah a bleach multiverse but when you have stuff that has nothing to do with the main show and lacks continuity you can tell its an "alternate reality" so to speak and thus Bleach has a multiverse, same goes for the dragonball movies) In the mainstream the new captain i doubt could have actualy pulled it off. Then agian do we even know how powerful he is? i did'nt make it past the episode when he did that feat i just skipped ahead back to the hueco mundo.
Post by MohsinMan99 (1,777 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell said:

@hitsusatsu11: yeah but it was filler so it was non cannon entirely, and branches off as another reality in the bleach multiverse (yeah a bleach multiverse but when you have stuff that has nothing to do with the main show and lacks continuity you can tell its an "alternate reality" so to speak and thus Bleach has a multiverse, same goes for the dragonball movies) In the mainstream the new captain i doubt could have actualy pulled it off. Then agian do we even know how powerful he is? i did'nt make it past the episode when he did that feat i just skipped ahead back to the hueco mundo.

Way to go creating a multiverse for each member of the HST.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell

yeah but it was filler so it was non cannon entirely, and branches off as another reality in the bleach multiverse (yeah a bleach multiverse but when you have stuff that has nothing to do with the main show and lacks continuity you can tell its an "alternate reality" so to speak and thus Bleach has a multiverse, same goes for the dragonball movies) In the mainstream the new captain i doubt could have actualy pulled it off. Then agian do we even know how powerful he is? i did'nt make it past the episode when he did that feat i just skipped ahead back to the hueco mundo.    


Bleach don't have a multiverse, there no proof of it (but DBZ have one thanks to Trunks)
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Destinyheroknight
1. If Bleach does not have a multiverse then how the hell do story arcs like he one for the new squad 3 captain fit in the story line when it completely fucks up ALL CONTINUITY for it happening in hte middle of hueco mundo with Ichigo and Rukia sitll in school and AIzen is pretty much ignored threw out the whole thing, Its gotta be an alternate tmeline/what ever oyu want to call it and there for it has to branch out into another Universe since there is nothing else you can do with it.

2.ITs "proof" not "prove"

 

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell


1. If Bleach does not have a multiverse then how the hell do story arcs like he one for the new squad 3 captain fit in the story line when it completely fucks up ALL CONTINUITY for it happening in hte middle of hueco mundo with Ichigo and Rukia sitll in school and AIzen is pretty much ignored threw out the whole thing, Its gotta be an alternate tmeline/what ever oyu want to call it and there for it has to branch out into another Universe since there is nothing else you can do with it.

2.ITs "proof" not "prove"


1. No, Kubo never said anything about Bleach having a multiverse
2. DBZ have a multiverse because of Trunks who cross into time to change the future
3. In the anime, it seem like the Bleach characters are acting since at the end of the episode before a filler they usually said something about being an actor
  
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Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Destinyheroknight
I never said anything about Kubo, please fill me in on this Character since i am not familure with him yet. And the last part is pretty much just breaking the 4th wall from what it sounds like to me.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell:   

I never said anything about Kubo, please fill me in on this Character since i am not familure with him yet


He the creator of Bleach, you know the guy who make the stories in the manga 
 You know this guy
 You know this guy
  

And the last part is pretty much just breaking the 4th wall from what it sounds like to me. 


It make them look like actor
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Destinyheroknight
 
Well you know Akira never said anythign about a DB Multiverse untill trunks came along, but we could already figure it had one caus all the movies (except for the bardock and trunks movies) were not in the same continuity as the story they were pretty much "what ifs" basicly since they did'nt fit with the main show and that was before Trunks ever showed up. I will be waiting for some of the characters (or maybe even just Yammamoto) to straight up say they were all acting the entire time and none of it was "for real" (continuity wise not real world wise).
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell:  
Movies and fillers don't make a multiverse, the creator does. (Here an example, Slayers have a multiverse with all of its media. Kanzaka-sama have stated that all the Slayers media is part of the multiverse of the main canon)  
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Destinyheroknight
I dont think you see a fictinal Multiverse the same way i do, if its an alternate reality of the main reality it has to go somewhere other than to not be accounted for as some kind of reality along side the main universe, which is usauly the case and because of it being aknowledged (i sense typo!) as another universe than that only means one thing which you and i both know. THe only thing i think does'nt count is fan made stuff, that can be a part of YOUR universe or more importantly multiverse (if you have one) :P 
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,158 posts) See mini bio Level 21
@SuperperfectCell:  
Of course I don't see it the way you do. When I think of a multiverse, I usually think about how they are connected to the main canon of the series (Not just the characters) 
Here my two reasons 
  1. If a character can cross to an other universe 
  2. If the creator said that the anime is part of the main canon multiverse 
For all I know it could be happening in the same universe, but on a different planet      
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10
  
@Destinyheroknight:
Oh come on! same unvierse but different planet? Humans can think logicly for a reason you know... speaking of logic 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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