Is Bakuman sexist?

Topic started by Dream on March 25, 2013. Last post by sickVisionz 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by Dream (7,901 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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Guess a little explanation is in order. There have been criticisms for the Bakuman series I've come across online saying that it is sexist to a great extent in its treatment of women where cute and docile female characters like Azuki and Aoki are treated as the ideal women for a man and someone with a strong personality like Iwase is treated to be unlikeable, as well as said characters being rather underdeveloped for the most part compared to the male members of the title's cast. The most criticized aspect of the title's storyline comes in the form of Azuki and Mashiro's promise where Azuki exists to be nothing more than a "goal" for Mashiro to go after in being a successful mangaka.

Taking these facts to mind, do you think Bakuman is sexist?

Post by Petiew (244 posts) See mini bio Level 14
Prefering cute and docile women is a preference. Some guys like them, others like out spoken women. Japan especially has a preference for quiet, submissive women, but I don't think it's sexist.
I also assume they're underdeveloped because the majority of readers are young males and they're not interested in girl characters.
 
I dropped Bakuman years and years ago because I thought it was terrible, but I believe the "Promise" was also mutual between the two parties? They wouldn't get together until both had met their dreams if I recall. I'd say the promise was dumb and made for a painfully terrible romance, but not sexist.
 
I feel like people are using the term "sexist" far too loosely these days. If the author made some comment about women being too stupid to live without the intervention of a strong male mangaka then it'd be sexist, now not so much.
Though I dropped it, so maybe it did get like that.
Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I think a lot of animes are sexist to be honest.

Post by Kurohige (3,743 posts) See mini bio Level 19
Comics and anime can be sexist, but I don't think Bakuman is.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,331 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@MarioRedfield:

So can a lot of media, so what your point?

Anyway, haven't read a lot of Bakuman. So I don't really know

Post by Kurohige (3,743 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@Destinyheroknight: Ditto.
Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Destinyheroknight: Because I don't see a point in pointing out one in particular when there are so many examples.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,331 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@MarioRedfield:

Then don't bring it up if you can't point it out

Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Destinyheroknight: That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Anyway, I was just stating my opinion on it. That's all. No need to get offended.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,331 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@MarioRedfield:

I wasn't offended, I just find it pointless for you to comment it like that. Since this is about a manga, not all of anime

Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Destinyheroknight: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh..... oops. My bad, yeah I can see why you would say that now, lol. I'm sorry I thought this was an anime for some reason... You're right it isn't really relevant to this conversation and I apologize.

Post by Kurohige (3,743 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@MarioRedfield: No need to get offended people.
Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Kurohige: Lol, read our conversation again... I didn't get offended. I just didn't see why he said what I said was pointless, but now I do.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,331 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@MarioRedfield:

No problem, but I did look up Bakuman and it does have an anime (but it didn't went that far). So I guess I'll apologize to (for not knowing)

About Bakuman, it a shonen series that targeted for young boys. So it focus more on the guys then they do on the girls. So it come off sexist (most shonen series does and also shojo for guys)

Edit: I should really spell check before I post LOL!

Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Destinyheroknight: Agreed

Post by Kurohige (3,743 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@MarioRedfield: I was making a joke out of the previous comments, I found it funny both were assuming they were getting offended and in really nothing was wrong. The internet is not good for sarcasms and jokes.
Post by MarioRedfield (1,861 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Kurohige: I noticed Bill Gates put out a thing saying he'd give $100,000 to someone who could make a better condom. he really should be paying someone to invent a way to convey sarcasm on the internet.

Post by Dream (7,901 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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I'd say the promise was dumb and made for a painfully terrible romance, but not sexist.

This is pretty much my general consensus of the relationship as well. It's not sexist, but quite hard to take seriously thanks to how absurd it is. It's actually the major reason why I find the third season of Bakuman to be the weakest of the series due to the greater focus on it compared to earlier seasons. But I do agree with one aspect of the mentioned criticisms in that Azuki doesn't feel like a character. There's not much dimension to her character like Aoki and Kaya, as it feels like Azuki exists only to be Mashiro's "goal" to be a hit manga-ka with an anime adaptation without having any other elements to her character to make her stick out.

I only put together this thread to get feedback from others regarding the criticisms, since it's a somewhat popular topic of debate to discuss on some sites.

Post by sickVisionz (4,307 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@Destinyheroknight said:

About Bakuman, it a shonen series that targeted for young boys. So it focus more on the guys then they do on the girls.

Not to mention that those guys are the main characters of the series so it only makes sense that the story be focused on them and they get the most development. Not developing side characters as much as you do main ones is just good storytelling, not sexism.

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