Fairy Tail Discussion

Topic started by Daniel_Newton on Nov. 24, 2012. Last post by Daniel_Newton 1 year, 8 months ago.
Post by takashichea (12,687 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@Daniel_Newton:

Sorry, I try to give a hint that wasn't too spoiler-ish. Her name starts with an "M." That's all I can say.

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Do not look at the character list.

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@takashichea: Oh, wait...

...is it one of Erza's childhood friends? I can't remember her name but I think one of them had the dog/cat-like face...

...considering I was 99% sure last time, I'm probably totally wrong again.

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Yay!

Episode 61 was awesome. They introduced a cool guy who beat Cana in a drinking contest and had the audacity to take her bra off. I was like what the hell is going with this show. Anyway, Natsu had an epic friendship speech that was touching a bit despite all the times it gets a little repetitive. It's strange that the Dragon Slayers have motion sickness. I thought it was only Natsu. Now, it's Gajeel, Sting, Rogue, and Laxus. (Laxus and Rogue admit it)

I don't know if Wendy is immune since she has Troia.

It's strange that they ended the episode with Toby and Kurohebi's fight unfinished.

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I remember mention that the easter eggs in Fairy Tail are like One Piece's Pandaman which begs the question. Should we create a concept page called Easter Eggs?

Episode 162's fight between Bacchus and Elfman was cool. It was strange that their recap includes Toby and Kurohebi's fight that was already covered by last episode making feel awkward. It's like a filler padding since the fight was so short. Toby has got to be one of the dumbest characters in Fairy Tail. The look on everyone's faces especially Erza was amusing. Though, not amusing when everyone jaws drop including mine during Jellal's fight that went busted.

It's a little creepy when Bacchus started licking his lips when he talks about Elfman's sisters. The bet is a little unclear because Bacchus said

Bacchus: Both of your sisters are delightful dishes...

Elfman: What do you wanna say?

Bacchus: It's an old story. If I win, they're mine. Both of them, at the same time...

Bacchus 08:35

Hmm, what I was supposed to think here, rape or something? A little dark for Fairy Tail, you know.

The little added creepiness made the fight satisfying yet short. Elfman's new Beast Souls were nice especially when Lizardman pops. I was guessing names like Crocodile Rex or Alligator King, but Elfman had a simple name, Lizardman.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,300 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@takashichea:

That sound good, there is a couple of Easter Eggs I see in anime/manga (like Kuroneko from trigun)

Do like Elfman Beast Souls, they so awesome :)

Also I have a question for you guys, why do most mages only use one type of magic in fairy tail? It just don't seem very effected in battle

Merry Christmas From Hiro Mashima
Merry Christmas From Hiro Mashima
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@Destinyheroknight:

Okay, I'll add the Easter Egg concept once Daniel gives me the okay.

The only mages I seen so far that use multiple types of magic would be Jellal since he is able to use Mystogan in addition to his magic. I guess Hiro Mashima wants to limit his characters from getting overpowered. Plus, having one type of magic makes them unique a bit. Makes characters somewhat distinguishable to the fans.

Oh, I uploaded those Twitter images.

I loved this one that Hiro Mashima retweeted from his fans. See Zippi44's Deviant Art.

I followed him on Twitter. It's so rad to see his sketches despite the language barrier. I can only imagine what is he saying in his Twitter feed.

Post by Daniel_Newton (3,227 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@takashichea said:

Should we create a concept page called Easter Eggs?

"Easter Egg" is a term more traditionally used for video games and software really. What are those things exactly? If they're from Rave Master or some of Mashima's other work then they would qualify as cameos, I suppose.

@takashichea said:

Hmm, what I was supposed to think here, rape or something? A little dark for Fairy Tail, you know.

Well, not "rape" per se, since it was supposed to be the prize of a bet, but yeah, pretty close. And you're right, it is pretty dark, which is why he didn't just say "If I win I get to fuck your sisters", it was worded in such a way that young viewers won't understand what Bacchus was implying.

I really enjoyed that fight, my honest gut feeling was that Elfman would lose so I was actually surprised when he didn't and I'm glad I was wrong. Fairy Tail's comeback is almost overdue at this point, but I was expecting a very obvious set-up for Fairy Tail to start their comeback, like Erza going up against some weak opponent. Elfman managing to beat someone Erza has never defeated before is, in the words of Jason: COOOOOOOOOOOL! (I can't decide if I hate that guy or not...)

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,300 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@takashichea:

I guess Hiro Mashima wants to limit his characters from getting overpowered.

I think that a little to late, when they disappear for seven years (without training) and they can still match the current people by just doubling there powers LOL! But it won't be overpower if you balance it out

Plus, having one type of magic makes them unique a bit. Makes characters somewhat distinguishable to the fans.

Well, they can use them in unique ways. Like Natsu Lightning Flame Dragon mode or have a limit (which Natsu should have got for that mode)

I just find it strange that they only use one type of magic

Yeah, I also following Hiro on Twitter, that where I got the image from

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@Destinyheroknight:

Hmm, I have to get back to you since I haven't thought about that in my answer. You ask one tough question. :)

@Daniel_Newton:

I only recognized two of them from Rave Master. The vibrating caterpillar, Teppei (in episode 145) and the yellow cat, Misa (in episode 142). They originally debut in Rave Master Ep. 40.

I guess I'll just talk about them in the points of reference and this discussion thread.

So yeah guys, keep an eye for those weird things that Hiro Mashima hides!

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@Destinyheroknight: @takashichea: Lots of them use different types of magic. If you look at the character pages on the Fairy Tail wiki, most characters have several types of magic listed. Usually, they just have a primary type they specialise in. Natsu's primary magic is Fire Dragon Slayer magic, but he also knows elements of Macao's fire magic (allows him to do more with his fire), he's somehow integrated Laxus' Lightning Dragon Slayer magic into his own (though he's only used it twice so far in the anime), and he even learned some transformation magic from Mirajane in a manga special, though I don't know if that's canon or not.

In terms of the Fairy Tail universe, I think they mostly specialise in one type because of two reasons:

  1. It takes years to learn and master one type of magic.
  2. You probably need to be exceptionally powerful to used multiple types easily (like, Makarov-level powerful).

@takashichea said:

I guess Hiro Mashima wants to limit his characters from getting overpowered. Plus, having one type of magic makes them unique a bit. Makes characters somewhat distinguishable to the fans.

Ultimately, these are the biggest reasons. Think about it this way, the members of Fairy Tail are like western comic book superheroes. Natsu has fire powers like the Human Torch, Gray has ice powers like Iceman, Elfman can transform into different creatures like Beast Boy. Sure, they would be more powerful with more powers, but not every character is a Superman, you know?

@Destinyheroknight said:

and they can still match the current people by just doubling there powers LOL!

Actually that's not really true. All unlocking their "second origin" really did was open up their "second" magic container, essentially increasing their stamina so they can fight longer. They might be able to use more magic at once that way, maybe making some spells more powerful, but it certainly didn't just "double" their powers.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,300 posts) See mini bio Level 21

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I was talking about wide variety of attacks, like Lucy using barriers or healing for support.

Natsu pretty much use the same flames, he don't mix it up with other flames or elements. When he does use something else, it just be for a short time (it only change when he got Lightning from Laxus). It just make me feel that most of the mages are one trick ponies. That why I like Erza and Elfman, they is able to use a wide variety of attacks

  1. It takes years to learn and master one type of magic.
  1. You probably need to be exceptionally powerful to used multiple types easily (like, Makarov-level powerful).

That would explain it, but Natsu was able to use god flames (for a short while) and lightning without any experience of using them before and there also the matter with Lucy who just make contracts to use celestial spirit magic. The number two will be most likely

Ultimately, these are the biggest reasons. Think about it this way, the members of Fairy Tail are like western comic book superheroes. Natsu has fire powers like the Human Torch, Gray has ice powers like Iceman, Elfman can transform into different creatures like Beast Boy. Sure, they would be more powerful with more powers, but not every character is a Superman, you know?

But the members of Fairy Tail are mages, mages use magic and is able to use different type of it. For example, when I play a RPG I usually play as a spellcaster and have a wide variety of spells I can use, but I will focus on what I can do best. If I was Lucy, I would focus on defense or use boost magic to help out my summons

Actually that's not really true. All unlocking their "second origin" really did was open up their "second" magic container, essentially increasing their stamina so they can fight longer. They might be able to use more magic at once that way, maybe making some spells more powerful, but it certainly didn't just "double" their powers.

Then that just make me madder about the second origin, since that is overpowering if they didn't get a boost of power from it. Since it been seven years and there opponents should have been a lot stronger then them

Sorry, I should have make it clearer

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@Destinyheroknight said:

I was talking about wide variety of attacks, like Lucy using barriers or healing for support.

That would make her too much like Orihime from Bleach, and most people kind of thought Orihime was pretty useless. It's better that Lucy is actually very powerful in her own right. Though when you think about it, Wendy fills the support role quite often. She's a healer and can use spells to boost other character's powers. That was what made the fight between her, Natsu, Gajeel and the big dragon mech in the Edolas arc really cool.

That would explain it, but Natsu was able to use god flames (for a short while) and lightning without any experience of using them before

In fairness, Fire God Slayer magic and Lightning Dragon Slayer magic are both very close to the type of magic Natsu already knows how to use, so I think he gets a free pass.

It just make me feel that most of the mages are one trick ponies.

Well... yeah, in a lot of ways that is kind of the point of Fairy Tail. The Fairy Tail guild is all about the bonds and friendship and teamwork between the members that makes their guild better than other guilds.

Then that just make me madder about the second origin, since that is overpowering if they didn't get a boost of power from it. Since it been seven years and there opponents should have been a lot stronger then them

Well, not really, considering how powerful the Fairy Tail guild was compared to other guilds seven years ago. Think of it this way; it's taken seven years for the others to catch up to Fairy Tail. Plus, Fairy Tail was the strongest guild at the beginning of the manga/anime. Think about how much they've gone through and improved since then. Fairy Tail has been fighting the world's most powerful dark guilds and people from an alternate universe while the other guilds (presumably) have been going about their normal lives taking on jobs and such. Well, aside from the times multiple guilds joined together to fight a bigger threat, but even then the other guilds were mostly providing support for Fairy Tail.

As far as I'm concerned, Sabertooth and Raven Tail are the only real threats to Fairy Tail climbing back to the top. Most of the other guilds have a couple of super strong wizards each, while Fairy Tail, Sabertooth and Raven Tail are full of Dragon Slayers and other S-Class-level wizards, the only member who's a little out of their league so far is Flare. Lucy would have beaten her easily if they had a fair fight.

I don't know why you're so bothered about Fairy Tail's power anyway, as powerful as they are they're still really struggling so far in this tournament. I'm kind of amazed at how much punishment Hiro Mashima is putting them through.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,300 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@Daniel_Newton:

Huh, I almost forgot about this LOL!

That would make her too much like Orihime from Bleach, and most people kind of thought Orihime was pretty useless. It's better that Lucy is actually very powerful in her own right. Though when you think about it, Wendy fills the support role quite often. She's a healer and can use spells to boost other character's powers. That was what made the fight between her, Natsu, Gajeel and the big dragon mech in the Edolas arc really cool.

I was talking about using the power to boost her Celestial Spirits. The reason why people think Orihime is useless is because of the Aizen (when she said she will use her powers to destroy the thing and never try it)

In fairness, Fire God Slayer magic and Lightning Dragon Slayer magic are both very close to the type of magic Natsu already knows how to use, so I think he gets a free pass.

No, it don't get a free pass. God Flames maybe, but not Lightning. Lightning and Flames are two different elements and work differently from each other. It like I saying I can drive motorcycle because I know how to ride a bicycle

Well, not really, considering how powerful the Fairy Tail guild was compared to other guilds seven years ago. Think of it this way; it's taken seven years for the others to catch up to Fairy Tail. Plus, Fairy Tail was the strongest guild at the beginning of the manga/anime. Think about how much they've gone through and improved since then. Fairy Tail has been fighting the world's most powerful dark guilds and people from an alternate universe while the other guilds (presumably) have been going about their normal lives taking on jobs and such. Well, aside from the times multiple guilds joined together to fight a bigger threat, but even then the other guilds were mostly providing support for Fairy Tail.

Max was pretty much even with Natsu, up until Natsu use his Lightning Flame roar. When he use that attack, it show me he was back in a corner (since its his most powerful attack) that show how the world got stronger

As far as I'm concerned, Sabertooth and Raven Tail are the only real threats to Fairy Tail climbing back to the top. Most of the other guilds have a couple of super strong wizards each, while Fairy Tail, Sabertooth and Raven Tail are full of Dragon Slayers and other S-Class-level wizards, the only member who's a little out of their league so far is Flare. Lucy would have beaten her easily if they had a fair fight.

You haven't been reading the manga, I will not spoil you

I don't know why you're so bothered about Fairy Tail's power anyway, as powerful as they are they're still really struggling so far in this tournament. I'm kind of amazed at how much punishment Hiro Mashima is putting them through.

Trust me, it will change (the only one was getting punish was Elfman).

The reason why I bothered by it, is because I don't like overpower characters who don't work for there strength. I like Fairy Tail (it use to be up there with One Piece), but I started to dislike some of the characters and the battles was getting boring for me.

It just my feeling of the matter (I think things really different), I try to avoid Fairy Tail threads so I don't be a bitter grumpy old man about it (I really holding back)

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@Destinyheroknight said:

I was talking about using the power to boost her Celestial Spirits.

I guess that would be pretty cool, she's becoming more of a strategist now though, summoning multiple celestial spirits and telling them what moves to use. She's kind of like a Pokémon trainer, thinking about it.

No, it don't get a free pass. God Flames maybe, but not Lightning. Lightning and Flames are two different elements and work differently from each other. It like I saying I can drive motorcycle because I know how to ride a bicycle

I dunno, it's been made pretty clear that if Natsu manages to absorb someone else's god/dragon slayer element he can then use it himself (I'm guessing it's limited to god/dragon slayer magic, I doubt he can absorb Gray's ice magic for example). He is the male protagonist after all, and that role in a shounen series always comes with some perks (Goku learning Kamehameha instantly, Ichigo powering up super fast, etc.). Besides, it's not like he suddenly knows all of Laxus' or the Zancrow's moves, so I think the bicycle/motorbike analogy is a little off. In fact, from what I can remember, he can't even use the other elements on their own, he can only use them in combination with his flames.

Max was pretty much even with Natsu, up until Natsu use his Lightning Flame roar. When he use that attack, it show me he was back in a corner (since its his most powerful attack) that show how the world got stronger

I think you got the wrong impression from that fight. It was supposed to look like Max was fighting on par with Natsu, but then Natsu got serious and Max basically wimped out. Granted, that's when Natsu used his Lightning/Fire Roar, but that's because it was the perfect time to show it off.

The reason why I bothered by it, is because I don't like overpower characters who don't work for there strength.

I still say they've done more than enough to earn their strength. Fairy Tail is the guild that's been saving Earthland from big threats and overcoming powerful opponents which the other guilds just haven't been doing.

It just my feeling of the matter (I think things really different), I try to avoid Fairy Tail threads so I don't be a bitter grumpy old man about it (I really holding back)

Ha, that's fine. Discussions like this are the whole point of this thread :) You definitely make some good points and I don't completely disagree with you really, though you might be taking Fairy Tail a little more seriously than it's intended to be taken. After all, Hiro Mashima created Fairy Tail to be a more light-hearted/power-of-friendship kind of show, so I doubt there will ever be as many gruelling training arcs like you see in something like Dragon Ball Z or Bleach, if that's the sort of thing you're looking for. That doesn't make it bad though! I've always found Fairy Tail refreshing compared to more "serious" shounen series, but maybe that's just me!

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@Daniel_Newton:

He is the male protagonist after all, and that role in a shounen series always comes with some perks (Goku learning Kamehameha instantly, Ichigo powering up super fast, etc.). Besides, it's not like he suddenly knows all of Laxus' or the Zancrow's moves, so I think the bicycle/motorbike analogy is a little off. In fact, from what I can remember, he can't even use the other elements on their own, he can only use them in combination with his flames.

True, but it will still bug me (I still is bug by Ichigo's power up, but oddly not Goku's)

I think you got the wrong impression from that fight. It was supposed to look like Max was fighting on par with Natsu, but then Natsu got serious and Max basically wimped out. Granted, that's when Natsu used his Lightning/Fire Roar, but that's because it was the perfect time to show it off.

I don't think so, he was looking pretty desperate to me and he was swearing before using LFM.

I still say they've done more than enough to earn their strength. Fairy Tail is the guild that's been saving Earthland from big threats and overcoming powerful opponents which the other guilds just haven't been doing.

Some other guilds help sometime and that might be the problem I having with the series. That Fairy Tail is the best of the best and it make me feel that no one can beat them and make it seem they are having easy time

Ha, that's fine. Discussions like this are the whole point of this thread :) You definitely make some good points and I don't completely disagree with you really, though you might be taking Fairy Tail a little more seriously than it's intended to be taken. After all, Hiro Mashima created Fairy Tail to be a more light-hearted/power-of-friendship kind of show, so I doubt there will ever be as many gruelling training arcs like you see in something like Dragon Ball Z or Bleach, if that's the sort of thing you're looking for. That doesn't make it bad though! I've always found Fairy Tail refreshing compared to more "serious" shounen series, but maybe that's just me!

I take Fairy Tail as seriously as I do with One Piece and other light-hearted/power-of-friendship series (hack, I love those type of series). For some reason Fairy Tail bug me more then the others and don't really know why is that, the thing I complain about FT are in the other series to (it maybe me being overloaded on Shonen LOL!)

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The recent Fairy Tail episode, Mirajane vs Jenny, had the most fan service. For next week, I hope they expanded the fight between Yukino and Kagura since they added a lot of extra fan service.

It's strange to see Asuka posing along with her mother. Plus, Carla was doing it as well. The bondage shoot for Erza and Sherry was amusing.

Finally, I believe we got teased a bit about Lisanna and Natsu's shipping.

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I don't like Asuka dressing like that, well at lease that wasn't canon

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I kind of have mix feeling for the last chapter. It was good but it also was disappointing

I wondering were all the FT fans on here are?

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The recent episode is a bit different. What was Hiro Mashima thinking when he has Gemma humiliate Yukino by forcing to strip her clothes. Comparing the manga scenes, I was awed at how much skin was shown in the panels. I prefer subtlety more in the anime for that scene. Natsu's determination to kick his butt was admirable. I was a bit surprised that Gray actually knows that Juvia likes him. I have to fix his relationship info on his wiki page. I put him down as oblivious just like Natsu. Boy, was I wrong.

@Destinyheroknight:

All the new Fairy Tail fans are at the Lucy and Natsu shipping thread. I sometimes forget about this thread.

I wonder where SakuraBlossomYears and DBZ Universe are. They're up to speed with the manga. I stop reading the manga after the anime finally hit this tournament arc, so I won't spoil myself further.

I don't like Asuka dressing like that, well at lease that wasn't canon

Me either. It was too weird.

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