AKAME GA KILL! is... OK for a Harem Show?

Topic started by No_name_here on Aug. 15, 2014. Last post by zaldar 3 months, 2 weeks ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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You know… you guys are right. The harem aspects of this set-up have already gotten a lot harder to sit through.

That said, I’d still give this a so-so verdict because the underlying story is actually pretty well plotted out. And by ‘plotted,’ I simply mean that it abides by the rules of hooking interest, and holding that interest throughout various twists and turns. Especially when put next to the messy and unfocused opening episodes of ALDNOAH ZERO, the premise a country bumpkin (who also manages to kick ass!) learning the ropes of the big, cynical, complicated city comes out looking a lot clearer and stronger.

The show can get away with over-stuffing Night Raid’s roster because our lead is just as overwhelmed by them as we, the viewers, are. He hasn’t gotten a proper introduction to many of them yet, so we’re not expected to be that familiar with them either.

Now, that’s neglecting the harem tropes, which get pretty grating, pretty fast. To be honest, I’ve done a good job of avoiding most harem shows, so perhaps I can only sing some praises for this show because I’m not as utterly exhausted by the genre as the rest of you are. Maybe that raises another question of whether it’s fair to judge a story on its merits, or if it must be evaluated in the context of its genre, but let’s open that can of worms another day. I just can’t bring myself to care.

And that means this season actually didn’t yield any new shows that caught my interest enough to warrant full-coverage on this column. That’s actually a first, in all the time I’ve been doing this. Maybe I’ll have to go dig up another classic show,or… * GASP *… check in on SPACE DANDY again?

Watch “the Authority" and decide for yourself, then read my thoughts on the previous episode.

Post by Oglaphone (67 posts) See mini bio Level 11

It seems a little odd to classify it as a harem show, as the harem elements of the series aren't particularly pronounced at this point, and I'm not sure if they're ever really a big part of things.

Post by SpectroRaphael (57 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@Oglaphone said:

It seems a little odd to classify it as a harem show, as the harem elements of the series aren't particularly pronounced at this point, and I'm not sure if they're ever really a big part of things.

I agree. I haven't really seen any pronounced harem aspects yet.

Post by Bigheart711 (4,204 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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I really don't see this as a Harem show at all either. This is really more of an action/thriller show. BTW, I'm up to speed on the show (Episode 7 as of this post) and it's still pretty good so far.

Post by taichokage (15,283 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@SpectroRaphael said:

@Oglaphone said:

It seems a little odd to classify it as a harem show, as the harem elements of the series aren't particularly pronounced at this point, and I'm not sure if they're ever really a big part of things.

I agree. I haven't really seen any pronounced harem aspects yet.

Totally agree. This isn't a harem series in my view. It has harem aspects though.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,639 posts) See mini bio Level 14

For the last time Tom it is not a harem show. Just because some one else says it is does not make it so.

Dangerously close to losing bit of anime street cred here by calling this show a harem. Because some one else said it was? Really? Would this be Mat who did not understand Rail Wars! was a harem or how trains looked? But claims this is a harem an you run with it?

Seriously even in your own review here you note how it neglects the harem aspects. Um gee cause their are none, Last I checked its ok for friends to disagree. An its better when friends help each other out when one is wrong about something. Hulu nor Chrunchyroll has it listed as a harem.Quick check on the net an even the sites that list a shows as ecchi because of boob bounce have not put harem gene onto this show!

Harem gene requires at least 3 love interests on one main character. In general the main character is interested in the other 3 or more at least some what.

Oh an last bit about avoiding harem shows. That does not mean you avoided all bad shows but it does mean you did avoid some good shows. Opinions vary true enuff, but this show does not qualify as a harem gene show by definition. Oh an Harem page has it wrong if it is two then its a triangle not a harem.

Post by Wraith (293 posts) See mini bio Level 17
As a manga reader I have to reiterate that THIS IS NOT A HAREM SHOW. There may be potential love interests but I'm going to avoid spoiling anything for anime only people
Post by YotaruVegeta (612 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Marshal Victory @Wraith: I think he's saying that it has the elements of a harem, especially since the first few episodes have been the hero hanging out with each member of the group 1-on-1.

I think Tom should be watching Space Dandy, because it's still one of the funniest anime on TV.

Post by takashichea (14,323 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@YotaruVegeta said:

@Marshal Victory @Wraith: I think he's saying that it has the elements of a harem, especially since the first few episodes have been the hero hanging out with each member of the group 1-on-1.

I think Tom should be watching Space Dandy, because it's still one of the funniest anime on TV.

@Oglaphone: @Bigheart711:

I agree, this show is not a harem, but it has slight aspects. However, there isn't a strong emphasis on romantic issues for it to be called a harem series. It has been more about the story of revenge, corruption, and justice.

We haven't seen much of it. I'll go through the list as of episode 7. Beware of spoilers.

  • Akame - Friend. She doesn't reciprocate any love neither does Tatsumi.
  • Mine - Fits the tsundere trope. However, she doesn't seem to express much interest in Tatsumi. Just acknowledges him to be part of Night Raid.
  • Leone - She's interesting. Only in episode 6, she expresses interest in him since Tatsumi has show promise of being a true man.
  • Bulat - Yes, I include men in this list. It's one sided, unrequited love while Tatsumi looks him up as Aniki.
  • Sheele - Dead

That's pretty much all the characters so far.

I would say shows that have harem elements such as Nanana's Buried Treasure, Rail Wars, Black Bullet, and Sword Art Online can be loosely called harem. You got three girls in Nanana's Buried Treasure who have feelings for the main character. The MC in Nanana's has respect for his older sister like figure while keeping a promise to his ghost roommate. Black Bullet - Loli harem and two older women seek out Rentaro. No argument there. SAO - No argument there since most of the female players are in Kirito's group.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,639 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@YotaruVegeta: Elements? Harem is defined easy enuff . One main character with 3 or more love interests. Thats the general definition. What other elements are their to it? There is no romance in the 1st few episodes which could be considered element of harem gene.

I am baffled about this. Not just as a watcher of the harem gene, no one in the 1st W& L that I seen said it was a harem. Only Mat has said it was on a Vice Pit. Where are these elements? At this point is should be a Point & Tell to show these " elements". ( to the poorly typed impression of show me the money) Show me the elements!

Also um the title of this " AKAME GA KILL! is... OK for a Harem Show?" does not mention these "elements". This is all more confusing than watching a anime show an the sub titles half way threw the show disappear. But the title is saying its a harem show to.

Honestly after this I can not say what Tom should be watching. At this point just not able to gather sympathy about him not finding a show to watch. When shows are not given a chance an or worse labeled as something they are not, as well as judged for something the are not. Besides though he already ruled Space Dandy was fan service or some such? Oh yeah http://www.animevice.com/spacedandy/11-6752/space-dandy-1-isnt-a-sexy-debut/97-344080/#29

Post by Lurkero (417 posts) See mini bio Level 7

While some people may stick to strict genre classifications for determining what a show is, there are enough "harem elements" in Akame Ga Kill to turn me off as well. I'll be waiting until the season is done and reading comments to see if the story has more of a focus on action and plot.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (5,084 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Yeah I honestly hardly get a harem vibe from this show.

Post by YotaruVegeta (612 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Marshal Victory: There is definitely sexual attraction (and yandere) in the series so far. It's not a balls-out (no, no pun here- unless you really want to) harem, where everyone is jumping all over the main character within 2 episodes.

It feels like a harem went left and turned into bloody shounen action.

Post by jj_jackson (119 posts) See mini bio Level 6

harem?? i just wanna be curious would you consider code geass a harem? there were way more elements of t & a in code geass than ive ever seen in this show so far. plus there is another guy there two other guys actually. This show is probably one of the best out this season. i'd probably say watch zankyou no terror but honestly it seems you dont really favor any show out this season. akame ga kil has gotten better with every episode and thats the truth.

Post by Bigheart711 (4,204 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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: Adding to your character analysis here.

We haven't seen much of it. I'll go through the list as of episode 7. Beware of spoilers.

  • Akame - Friend. She doesn't reciprocate any love neither does Tatsumi.
  • Mine - Fits the tsundere trope. However, she doesn't seem to express much interest in Tatsumi. Just acknowledges him to be part of Night Raid.
  • Leone - She's interesting. Only in episode 6, she expresses interest in him since Tatsumi has show promise of being a true man.
  • Bulat - Yes, I include men in this list. It's one sided, unrequited love while Tatsumi looks him up as Aniki.
  • Sheele - Dead. Note that 1 episode before the episode of her death, she and Tatsumi ended up being friends.

That's pretty much all the characters so far.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,639 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@YotaruVegeta: as @takashichea: pointed out " Bulat - Yes, I include men in this list. It's one sided, unrequited love while Tatsumi looks him up as Aniki."

Thats not a valid harem add because its one sided an its a joke line in the show. At best Bulat flirts with him an the main character wants nothing to do with him in that way. Regardless of any genders involved a harem has to have the main interested or at least indifferent to the harem-ies so to speak. If there is no potential then they are not in the harem.

Not seeing the sexual attraction thing here. Main character thought some of the girls were cute but thats a large epic leap to get to wanting to do what the birds an the bees do. At times I wonder if people are watching anime threw naughty english goggles ..

Post by takashichea (14,323 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@Bigheart711:

Thanks.

@jj_jackson:

There is a Terror in Resonance Discussion thread if you like. The staff is honest with their opinions. We value that in our staff. Not everything can be reviewed on the front page. We encourage users to either blog, participate in the discussion threads, review, or submit their own article. Everyone has their differences on the subject. We welcome the diversity in opinions.

Keep in mind, this is a user driven site.

When Tom and Sam dropped Toriko, and myself did the TORIKO Roundtable -- AV MOD Material representing why we love Toriko but hate the anime.

Marshal Victory, BigHeart711, Hal, and myself did the Spring 2014 Anime Roundtable which we discuss our opinions on shows that were great and some were terrible. We cover anime series that Matt and Tom didn't go over in the Anime Spring 2014 Season -- What's Good? and Anime Spring 2014 Season -- What's Bad? articles as well giving another angle because our choices contrast with Tom and Matt's choices. Users' purpose in the community to enrich the experience and add on to what the staff have added.

@YotaruVegeta:

If you want to shed light on Space Dandy 2, you can write an article or blog about it. There is the Space Dandy Discussion thread, too, if you are interested.

Post by waybig1010101 (4,072 posts) See mini bio Level 14
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@takashichea: i liked the anime in till the last arcs even though the manga is better in every way.

Post by takashichea (14,323 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@waybig1010101:

I keep forgetting shout outs in Anime Vice doesn't link names like they do in Comic Vine. As you can see, I was just explaining to a user who is discontent with the staff on coverage of the summer 2014 season. This site is pretty small. If you want to ask requests, there is the Vice Pit Question Thread. Or it's highly recommended users get involved and talk on a blog or discussion or submit an article.

I thank you and the rest of the teammates for lending your voices in Toriko. I know why folks hated Toriko and why it's harder to get into Toriko for new fans and even veteran folks for Toriko. Just showing them what Toriko was all about from our views.

If a user feels Tom or the staff is too hard on an anime like Toriko, Kill la Kill, Magi, and the like, just share your opinions why you like it in the comments, blogs, discussion threads, or an article. I just keep seeing complaints nowadays instead of making positive arguments.

Post by waybig1010101 (4,072 posts) See mini bio Level 14
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@takashichea: fair enough and even now i set up the survey and review project so they can post their reviews in there so other users can see a place that houses reviews about recent anime.

Also that reminds me to finish up on my no game no life review.

Another thing is that im thinking of doing a blog to reflect my time here on the site so far since my post count hitting 3,000 ( was planning to do it at 2,500, but i join the RPG threads so i was too busy to do it then)

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